In Support of my recent Quattro Criticism

In Support of my recent Quattro Criticism

I recently wrote up a dubious Ur-Quattro with a 20v turbo swap but some significant cosmetic work needed for a shocking 17 grand. I didn’t feel great criticizing the seller so harshly, it’s not my nature, but the ad gave me all the wrong signals, supported by an overconfident asking price. I looked a little deeper over on eBay and found two reasonably-priced Audis that, with a little legwork, could provide the basis for a cheaper, less sketchy project than the $17k UrQ with more blemishes than a non-showering teenager.

First up, the base car. A 1985 Ur Quattro in impressively clean condition after a strong 205,000 miles sitting around $7.5k on eBay. It still runs well, but that can’t last too long with that amount of miles.

So once those 200k miles catch up with the UrQ, you’ve got this 1990 Quattro with only 84k miles but a bunk transmission/differential to be the donor. The seller just wants to get rid of it and has it on sale locally for $2,400. Besides the mechanical gremlins the car is in beautiful condition, and could be parted out to the owner of a less-pretty Quattro for at least the initial cost.

Throw the 20v from the ’90 into the UrQ and you’ve created one great, low-mileage Quattro swap from two that are struggling, AND with a beautiful Coupe Quattro roller to sell. You’ll have to find a good Audi guy to do that swap for you, but hopefully it will live up to the old adage about VWAG swaps being akin to playing with legos. All told you’re about $10k invested in the cars, which gives plenty of room to get the swap done before you get anywhere close to the $20k investment needed for the sketchy one posted earlier.…

1983 Audi Ur-Quattro with 20v Turbo Swap

1983 Audi Ur-Quattro with 20v Turbo Swap

Similar to the E30 M3 Evan recently posted, today we’ve got an UrQ that has massive potential but is hampered by some warning flags that leave me skeptical. Let’s begin through an optimistic lens: A 63k mile Quattro blew its head gasket thanks to a stuck thermostat in the mid-1990s, and was left to wallow in its injured state for over a decade (garage find!). The current seller, a Porsche/Audi shop, picked it up and swapped in a 115k-mile 20v turbo from an Audi 200 and G60 brakes. The extended rest in a garage left the interior pretty darn clean, but the exterior, maybe good from 20 feet away, needs plenty of work. This is where the skepticism starts.

1983 Audi Ur Quattro for sale on Audifans

My biggest problem with the ad is the amount of hyberbole (“done swaps 100 times more complicated,” “we’ll pull it out in another 10 years when it’s worth $50,000) and subjective comparison (“nicer seats than on my 70k miles 944 turbo”). Just reading it makes me feel like I’m being swindled. The poor UrQ was apparently given a tire-iron exterior treatment by the previous owner’s ex-wife, so it needs a bit of dent work and a paint job. All these issues might make one think they could get a great project Ur-Quattro for a good deal, but the seller sees things differently. He’s asking $17k, based partially on his extrapolation that it will be worth $50k in 10 years (…I don’t think so) and that 2Bennett Audimotive estimates $14,900 for a similar swap. Flags go up here for me as well as to the seller’s logic, because whereas this Audi has a stock 200 20v that once made either 162hp or 220hp, the 2Bennett conversion comes rocking 285hp. Judging by the vagueness throughout the ad, I’d say there’s a good chance it’s the 162hp 20v.…

2004 Audi Allroad just in time

2004 Audi Allroad just in time

I’m back near Seattle, Washington for Thanksgiving with my family and landed just as a snow storm blanketed the Pacific Northwest. While the front-wheel drivers are still making it around, it’s looking like they’ll be rendered inadequate very soon. With this in mind, my thoughts turned to all-wheel drive, namely Quattro and what I would love as a serious winter machine, the Audi Allroad. Their faults are known, but with great styling and impressive versatility, I’m willing to overlook them.

As I mentioned before, these cars are not without their flaws. A friend’s had the air suspension go totally haywire, as well as the various electrical afflictions this generation of Audis can have. What made this one stick out to me was the lack of miles and the fact that the air suspension has already been addressed. It’s apparent (and stated) that this car has been well taken care of and is ready to go for the new owner. Maintenance down the road will obviously be Audi-rific, but I think this is about as good a place to start as any when it comes to the Allroad. Apparently listed at $16,950 at the dealership, it’s on eBay at $9k now with a Buy-it-Now of $13,900. 4-wheel drive luxury pulling up to Depreciation Station, wish I had a ticket!

As the flurries intensify, so do my dreams of dominating the snowy roads in an Allroad, empty except for a few Subarus, Audis, and a couple overzealous SUVs stuck in the ditch.

-NR…

1983 Audi Ur-Quattro for sale (dangerously close to me)

1983 Audi Ur-Quattro for sale (dangerously close to me)

Here’s a great way to contextualize the amazing Audi Quattro Concept unveiled at the Paris Auto Show. I work about 5 minutes from where this awesome Audi Ur-Quattro is for sale, and I at least have to go check it out (at most, lie/beg/cheat/steal to buy it). Until the Concept becomes reality, the Ur just can’t be beat when it comes to the Quattro. Straight off a Group B stage, boxed fenders and the turbo inline-5 mean serious business. Some title issues and reported damage should be investigated, but 105k miles is temptingly low for the original and irreplaceable implementation of Quattro.

The disappointingly brief seller’s explanation:

1983 Quatrro Coupe, good mechanical condition, just past smog, 5 cylinder turbo, 5 speed, european headlights and grill, white faced quages with additional gauge package, H&R springs, stainless exhaust system, wider Ronnal wheels. Runs good, but needs an alignment due to recent suspension work. Paint is tired but presentable, interior is the same. Some cracks on dash top. Removable sunroof, a/c, power windows, breaks, steering. A/C works, but needs a charge.

This is one of those times when the alignment and title issues fade a bit when you have the chance to pick up a rare piece of history. It’s for sale at $7500; if the issues can be resolved and keep it under $10k, I’ve gotta think that’s a good deal for a low-mileage Ur-Quattro. So close, yet so far away…

-NR…

Clean, low-mile 1991 Audi 200 Avant

Clean, low-mile 1991 Audi 200 Avant

There’s just something awesome about wagons with a manual. Quattro and turbo make it a truly special wagon. Today we have an impressively clean Audi 200 from the O.G. unintended-acceleration era, looking as fine as ever. The sumptuous interior surprised me, demonstrating that Audi’s been doing the good-interior thing for a long time. With only 85k miles on this hauler, it’s got quite a few more years of being funky and awesome left in it.

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From the seller:

The Classic Car Gallery is proud to offer this iconic 1991 Audi 200 Avant. This 217 hp turbocharged, 5 cylinder, all wheel drive wagon is one of only 200 imported into the country, and had a sticker price of more than $40,000 in 1991!!! This rare car was the sportiest wagon of its day, and is quick even by contemporary standards. The car has 85,271 miles, and is in very nice condition. The original white paint shows well, with good shine and depth, and few blemishes. The beige tan leather interior is in excellent condition, the leather is supple and shows little wear. At 60,000 miles, the car received a full service, including new Bilstein heavy duty struts and shock, conversion to conventional twin piston front calipers, new wheel bearings, and drive axles. All of this work was done by a licensed Audi technician. A new clutch and rear main seal were installed at that time. Recently, a new Mass Airflow sensor was installed. The engine runs well, doesn’t smoke, and makes great turbocharged horsepower!!! The 5 speed manual transmission shifts as it should, and the clutch works correctly. The car has a high end Alpine sound system installed. She runs on a set of BBS rims and NEW Toyo Proxes tires. Now For the bad.

1998 Audi A8

1998 Audi A8

Big Audis have always been the dark horse of the large German sedan clan. Audi first sold this all aluminum sedan in 1997 as a replacement for the Audi V8, sales of which ceased in the US in 1994. Not many people took notice as the big Audi bowed out of the market, but the A8 made a splash at the time as a very advanced and capable luxury cruiser.

The seller states:

Up for sale is my 1998 Audi A8. I’ve owned this car for about 5 years or so. It has extremely low mileage for the year and I’ve always kept it in excellent condition. My wife and I are downsizing a bit, which is the reason for the sale. We have 2 other vehicles and don’t need a 3rd in this economic climate. I’ve tried to include pictures of every possible square inch of the car so you get a good idea of what you’re purchasing.

As far as the exterior goes, the paint is good. It does have a few light scratches here and there and some rock chips on the front of the car. Nothing out of the ordinary for a 12 year old car. It has 3 nearly brand new tires and 1 tire that will need to be replaced soon. 3 out of 4 of the wheels are in great shape. 1 of the wheels, as seen in the pictures, has what appears to be some oxidation. On the front left part of the bumper, one of the clips is broken. You can see it in one of the pictures. It doesn’t affect anything, but a small part of the bumper is detached from the car just in front of the front left wheel.

Very rare, very clean Audi Quattro Treser

Very rare, very clean Audi Quattro Treser

Today we have a fantastic reader submission with many thanks to Valerio for finding this very rare, very cool, and amazingly well-kept Audi. I am quite a fan of the Quattro, as boxed fenders are just about my favorite styling element of all time and I’m quite enamored with AWD and Audi in general. Valerio’s tip points to a little-known piece of Audi history involving the head of Audi’s rally team, Walter Treser. More can be read here, but essentially the rally boss went on to sell aftermarket offerings for Audis, here including bodywork, wheels, engine improvements and a nice black interior. Adding to the specialness of this car is an amazingly low mileage of 35k, obviously having been owned with an eye towards future collectibility. It’s a very rare, very 80s-tastic improvement on the venerable Quattro, even foreshadowing the style of the later 90-based Coupe Quattro.

1984 Audi Quattro Treser for sale on Classic Driver

Some of the owner’s description:

This Treser UR Quattro is a two owner car which has covered a mere 35, 800 miles from new in the hands of two owners. It has been in the current ownership since 2005, since when just 3000 miles have been covered and it is stored in a heated and dehumidified garage when not in use. It has only ever been used in fine weather.

Finished in metallic black with Treser full black leather interior and high-back, rally style Recaro sports interior, the car is equipped with a host of other Treser options, which include 250bhp engine with high lift camshaft, big valves, a 8 port metering head, larger intercooler and a special airbox. The body has Treser wrap-around rear spoiler, front apron and Treser alloys road wheels, which are now shod with new Michelin TRX tyres.

A Treser UR Quattro is a rarity in itself but an example with just 35,800 miles on the clock and only two owners form new must be unique.

German marques well represented in Watkins Glen.

German marques well represented in Watkins Glen.

Having just returned from my annual “business trip” to the Glenora Wine Cellars, formerly Zippo, U.S. Vintage Grand Prix and Racing Festival in Watkins Glen New York I thought it would be appropriate to give you a taste of some of the German metal out on display. In the next couple of days I’ll put up some posts of several of the German street and race cars that I came across for sale while cruising the garage and paddock. Over the course of the weekend I saw all the major marques we cover, except one, represented racing on the track and though there wasn’t one racing, an Opel GT was prowling the car corral. If you ever find yourself near the Fingerlakes region of New York early in September put this event on your calendar. It continues to be one of the largest vintage racing events in the country seeing between 400 and 500 of the finest and funkiest vintage and modern classic racers zooming around the birth place of road racing in America. Here is a  small look at a few of the German machines:

The fast included:

1. a legendary 2000 Audi R8 that turned the fastest time of all competitors with ease.
2. a pair of BMW CSL racers looking and sounding fantastic.
3. a pair of serious M powered Formula cars.
4. a new 2011 Mercedes SLS, parked next to an equally fast Ferrari 599, I overheard someone say both cars were for sale.
5. Speaking of fast and Ferrari, the Audi S4 pictured in this photo can be seen leading a Ferrari 355 challenge. When the rains came Sunday the Audi took control garnering a second place overall in its class race. Despite a fogged windshield, due to non functioning defroster, the Audi left the Ferrari far behind in a roar of turbo whine and quattro powered rain plumes.…

1990 Audi 200 DTM Racer

1990 Audi 200 DTM Racer

Here is a turn key race Audi DTM spec race car. The car comes with a 3.6 liter V8 good for 420 horsepower, but you also have the option of buying a spare 4.2 liter 450 horsepower Audi engine as well. All the major components look to be genuine Audisport items and it appears the car started out as a Audisport body in white, not a converted street car. The car has a six speed transmission and looks good.
The ask is $60,000. I bet this is a blast out on the track. It looks like there are plenty of spares to be had for the new owner too.

More pictures can be seen on the seller’s website here:
http://www.eurospecsport.com/For%20Sale/Audi%20DTM.html

~Evan…

2-Owner, Low-Mile 1974 Audi 100LS for sale

2-Owner, Low-Mile 1974 Audi 100LS for sale

We come to this site, be it to read, write, or just ogle, because we share an affinity for something different.  That something different is German autos, unique in their attention to detail, unrivaled engineering, and strong (if restrained) styling themes.  Today we’ve got an important piece of German-car history that embodies these identifying elements, albeit one that I was heretofore unaware of.  Volkswagen bought Auto Union from Mercedes in 1965 with a main motivation being expanding production capacity for the Beetle.  Audi’s weak lineup led VW to place a moratorium on new model development, a command that was quickly disregarded by a top engineer.  He developed the Audi 100 on his own with VW only seeing it as a completed prototype.  It was good enough that they approved and released the 100 to significant commercial success.

This Audi 100LS has only had two owners over its 36 years and has covered just 50k miles.  It is thankfully not a garage queen, more a well-respected classic that’s not afraid to be used.  The look seems familiar at first but unique upon closer inspection, at first referencing recent Mercedes roots with the greenhouse and chrome trim followed by hints of Fiat in the tapered ends.  Engineering, design, and just the off-the-beaten-path nature differentiates it from more popular cars of the era and separates our tastes from the “standard” car guy or girl.

A testament:

This is a car that can be purchased and then driven with no issues. We drove it 5 hours to Waterfest some years ago, with no problems whatsoever and I would not hesitate to drive longer distances than that. Being an old car, there will always be things to tinker with if the owner chooses, but this is a turnkey, drive away toy- ready for cruising this summer.

Unblemished 1993 Audi S4 for sale

Unblemished 1993 Audi S4 for sale

I’m still learning my early-90s Audi history, so a little review:

Right after sudden-acceleration problems in the 80s, and right before the A-nomenclature transitioned Audi into the modern era, there was a weird middle ground.  The 100 begat the S4, which became the A6, which gave birth to the S6.  The Ur-S4 was a good-looking German sedan, bridging the gap between Audi’s square years and the first A4s and 6s.  One great thing about the original S4 is its use of a turbocharged 2.2l inline-5, an engine configuration that is pretty much synonymous with Classic Audi to me (and a great inclusion on the new TT-RS).  In the S4 the engine produced 230 hp, a pretty healthy amount for the time  considering the contemporary and venerable E36 M3 had just 10 more.  All in all, a pretty great way to start the S-sedan lineage.

Today we have an Ur-S4 nearly as beautiful as the day it rolled off the lot.  It’s covered a moderate 100k miles and comes with the manual transmission.  The bonus part of the 5-speed is the automatically-biasing Torsen differential it came with, while autos came with transfer boxes.  It’s looking fine on chunky 5-spokes and sprayed in that trademark Audi Pearl White.

There’s plenty of (deserved) pessimism when it comes to maintenance on older Audis, though I don’t know much about the 2.2l’s reputation in that regard (if you do, please share in the comments!).  Regardless, 101,000 miles is attractively low on a 17 year-old car, moreso when you see how well this car has been taken care of.  The interior is shockingly nice, and who knew they were doing carbon fiber trim in the early 90s?  It looks great, especially with the white leather, but makes the old-school Audi steering wheel a bit anachronistic.  …

1957 Audi Munga

1957 Audi Munga

Long before the days of Quattro and rally success, Audi was involved with another experiment in four wheel drive: the Munga. This unusual vehicle was the product from the Auto Union days before the dawn of Audi in the mid 1960s. What makes this particular example attractive is the need for expensive and hard to find parts has been lessened as the original three cylinder, two stroke engine has been replaced by a workhorse 1600 Volkswagen engine from 1968.

This is a very cool 1957 Audi Munga. In 1957, Audi was manufactured under the name of Auto Union. It was not until 1965 that the company was renamed Audi. This car still retains its original Audi emblem with the Auto Union Logo in the center on the front of the hood. I have been a classic car enthusiast my entire life and I have owned many unique cars but I must say that this is one of the coolest, most unique cars that I have ever seen. No matter where I drive it people ask me what it is and give me thumbs up. It draws a crowd at every car show I have ever taken it to and draws a crowd just getting gas at the local gas station.

The body on this car is 100% solid and has no rust or rot anywhere and has no evidence of any previous rust or rot. It is painted a satin finish yellow with new vinyl interior. Head lights and turn signals are functional and this car can be driven anywhere. It has special order military tires with original wheels and hub caps. The soft top is easily removed with about 10 snaps and clips holding it in place. You can easily fit 2 people in the front seat and another two in the rear jump seat.

Clean and lower-mile 1990 Audi Coupe Quattro for sale

Clean and lower-mile 1990 Audi Coupe Quattro for sale

I’ve expressed my enjoyment of the Audi Coupe Quattro, a loveable nugget of a coupe packing all-wheel drive and a little 20V 5-cylinder.  It’s maybe not the most extreme Audi, but it does a lot of things well.  It looks good, if a little less taught than the ur-Quattro.  It should handle decently with some fun factory go-fast bits and a manual tranny.  And though a little coupe, it’ll get you where you need to go with all four wheels turning.  Every once in a while a nice example pops up, and this is a great, updated but unabused example from Utah.

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From the seller:

Garage kept, Summer driver, low miles 97,636. The car has many upgrades from engine, intake, exhaust, new ecu, suspension, wheels, brand new tires, paint, tint, stereo and so much more. I have a set of the original speedline wheels with tires, original air box,radio,and other misc parts. This has been a amazing car. You wont find too many out there like this.

Going to need some more investigation with a brief description like that, but this Quattro has a lot going for it.  It’s clean in and out, and the sub-100k miles is a very positive place to start.  I like the black molding instead of the singular exterior color a lot of these have, and the great Borbets are very fitting.  The one holdup here is the price; $7500 seems like a bit rich to start bidding for this 20 year-old Audi spacenugget, but perhaps further investigation will show that it’s even nicer than the ad suggests. -NR…

Restored 1973 Audi LS

Restored 1973 Audi LS

Vintage Audis always seem to be more uncommon than their Bavaraian and Stuttgart counterparts, so when this restored Audi LS appeared on eBay, it caught my eye. Introduced in 1968, this was Audi’s largest car since revival of the brand in 1965. Developed in secret against VW management’s wishes, the 100 was a commercial success, so much so that production shifts were added at the Wolfsburg factory, thus making the 100 the first water cooled vehicle produced in the factory.

Here we have a stunning example of the car that put Audi back on the map, replete with the 1.8 liter engine:

The seller states:

I am selling a beautiful 1973 Audi 100 LS, the car was completely restored a few years ago, including a brand new paint job, not the cheap kind, but all trim, glass, door panels, lights were removed, car was repainted in the original arctic blue. There is no Bondo on the car, new windshield and rear glass rubber trim (that is expensive from Germany).

The pictures show the condition of the car, the engine starts right up, new brakes all around, new shocks, new plugs, wires, rotor, points and most importantly no rust. I installed custom made by “Lokari” in Germany front inner fender guards to prevent dirt and moisture from accumulating on top of the headlight bezels (that is a bad rust spot on most of these cars).

The seats, carpets, door panels, headliner are all in great shape, the blue mats are just there to protect the original. The car has an alpine radio with CD player. Front and rear retractable seat belts, passenger side mirror also installed on the car, rear defroster. The bumpers are perfect, all chrome also. Everything works as it should, no issues, I drove the car 2800 miles in 3 days, it was a blast.

1991 Audi 200 Avant 5 speed

1991 Audi 200 Avant 5 speed

With Toyota making unintended acceleration popular again, let’s check out the car that started the whole craze back in the 1980s: The Audi 100/200. After the 60 Minutes episode aired claiming sudden acceleration led to deaths and injuries, Audi’s US market share fell drastically, almost leading to their demise in this country.

All of this aside, these Audi were very futuristic upon their debut in 1982 and lived on with a cult following in Japan, as the Audi 100 was rehashed as a mid size executive sedan by FAW (First Automobile Works). Here we have an example of the rather rare Avant, especially given it is equipped with a manual transmission.

1991 Audi 200 Avant 20V Turbo

* 5 speed manual transmission
* Locking differential
* 5 cylinder turbo motor DOHC
* TAP ECU upgrade
* Vehicle is in very good condition inside and outside
* Motor runs strongly with no unusual noises
* Synthetic oil changes
* Service history records
* Smoke free

The car needs a fuel tank repair. A temporary patch is in place now. The mid muffler needs to be replaced due to a small hole.

This car is extremely solid. It runs great; the turbo charger makes good boost and pulls hard. The buyer will not be disappointed.

For a car with 180,000 miles, it seems pretty well looked after and could prove to be a useful and cheap hauler for someone, provided the repairs can be taken care of economically.

-Paul…