Today’s Audi 4000 quattro is a great example of what yesterday’s GTI 16V seller was claiming – a true survivor, in completely unrestored form. Unlike the GTI, though, this Canadian-market 1986 4000S quattro is also completely stock and original, too. Nearly as much a legend in its own right, while the performance of the 4000 was no match for the twin-cam hot hatch (at least, in the dry…), the package nevertheless possessed its own draw for a similarly devoted group of fans. Also as with the GTI, finding a clean and original Type 85 quattro is very difficult, too. But the low mileage Zermatt Silver Metallic example we have here should do the trick for most!
Do you know how many times I’ve heard “It was just too nice to part out” when referring to an older Audi? Heck, I’ve personally had three that I’ve said that very sentence for, and at least one more I should have said that about. One time I bought a 4000S front wheel drive 5-speed simply because I wanted a door. No, I’m not joking. The entire car was in mint shape – Sapphire with Marine Blue velour, and because I was 18 and had fully subscribed to the idea that the only good Audis were all-wheel drive Audis, I paid $300 to rip what was otherwise one of the nicest 4000S models I had seen to that point in my life apart. Most of it went to the junkyard, in fact. It’s something that near 40 year old me is mad at 18 year old me about, still.
Fast forward 22 years into the future, and since then I keep hearing the phrase in relation to all sorts of obscure, slightly crusty and forgotten examples of the brand. So when this 4000S 4E 2-door popped up for sale with just that thought in the seller’s advertisement, it was worth a look.
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1982 Audi 4000S 4E 2-Door on eBay…
Interesting and diverse additions to our Hammertime value guide for this week include some head scratchers, some values and some breathtaking numbers. Leading the charge was the recent sale of the 2016 911R at RM Auctions at nearly $550,000. Yet there was value to be found in the Volkswagen world, as two VR6 modded VW hatches hit $5,200 (1977) and $10,600 (1991). The salvage title Corrado SLC VR6 was presumably cheap at only $3,601, making for a good driver candidate. Bidders failed to show up for the 2003 RS6, and the no reserve auction fell silent at only $8,000 – perhaps a great value, while the 300SEL 4.5 nearly tripped $5,000 despite major concerns. At the higher end of the collector market for each was the W126 560SEL at $21,000 and the B2 Audi 4000S quattro at nearly $8,000. Finally, a 912 tipped the scales at $28,100, leaving us wondering where the 912 market is heading.
2016 Porsche 911R – E.515,200 ($547,521)
1977 Volkswagen Rabbit VR6 24V – $5,200
1989 Mercedes-Benz 560SEL – $21,000
2003 Audi RS6 – $8,000
1972 Mercedes-Benz 300SEL 4.5 – $4,950
1968 Porsche 912 Targa – $28,100
1993 Volkswagen Corrado SLC – $3,601
1985 Audi 4000S quattro – $7,999
1991 Volkswagen GTi 3.2 VR6 – $10,600
I was sure I had seen this car before. Tornado Red and Brazil Brown Kensington Velour? Check, but there are quite a few 4000 quattros that fit that description. But a 1985 model narrows the pool slightly, though numerically Audi reports selling more 4000 quattros at nearly 5,000 in 1985 than any other model year. Pacific Northwest and under 120,000 miles? And in very good survivor condition? Yes, surely this is the car that I wrote up in February, 2014.
But I was wrong. It’s not the same car. It’s another that is in even better condition with less reported miles. Does lightning strike twice? The air sure feels pretty electric around me as I poured over the details of this 1985:
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1985 Audi 4000S quattro on eBay…
If you like yesterday’s Audi 4000S quattro, finding a later example is likely to be more fruitful for you. About of the roughly 16,500 4000 quattros imported into the United States, roughly three quarters of them – about 12,000 – were the updated 1985-1987 model years. Changes to the package were mostly visual. Outside refreshed bumper covers with integrated turn signals and reflectors smoothed out the look far before BMW caught on to the idea in the 3-series. Aerodynamic headlights replaced the sealed-beam quad-headlight arrangement and a sloped grill eased the transition. In the rear the trunklid dove down to the trim line and held an entirely revised set of lights. Rocker panel covers made the 4000 appear a bit lower than the ’84 model had, though the ride height was unchanged. And a rolling change to flush fitting covers on the Ronal R8 wheels subtly changed the look to more aerodynamic. Inside, electric rear windows replaced the manual roll-up variety, and new door cards with pulls now matched the revamped dashboard. The gauges also changed, as did the locking differential panel. But mechanically under it all, few changes were seen to the workhorse. While numerically speaking you’re more likely to find a later car than the ’84 only style, if one car we cover better epitomizes the axiom “ridden hard and put away wet”, I’m not sure what it could be. Finding any reasonably clean 4000 quattro is a cause for celebration among B2 Audi enthusiasts, and this one sure looks great:
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1985 Audi 4000S quattro on Eurowerks Fora…
The 1984 Audi 4000S quattro is a bit of a unique beast. Though it appeared for all intents and purposes identical to the 4000S Limited Edition from the same year, underneath the two shared little in common. Indeed, when you lifted the covers much more of the quattro model was shared with its bigger brother, the exotic Quattro – the so called “Ur-Quattro” by fans. Herein lies part of where things get confusing in Audi history, since the actual development mules for the boxflared rally wonder utilized the 4000 (née 80). You could make a pretty convincing argument that the small sedan was the original, but that’s neither here or there at this point and is generally semantics (though, it’s occasionally nice to splash the waters of reality on enthusiast’s ill-informed fires of unshakable belief). Whoever was technically first, there’s no denying that the 4000/80 model brought the idea of permanent all-wheel drive to a much more affordable market of rally-bred enthusiasts who eagerly snapped up the roughly 4,500 examples of the first year model. Radical looking changes came for the 1985 model year with a thorough refresh, and there are those who love both generations with equal aplomb. Admittedly, I’m a fan of the post 85 models, sometimes referred to the as the “sloped grill” cars. But you don’t have to go far to find fans of the more square ’84 model. One reader of ours tasked me with the goal a few years back of keeping an eye out for a clean ’84. Easy, right? Not so fast…
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1984 Audi 4000S quattro on eBay…
You’d be forgiven for thinking, based solely on my 1980s Audi coverage, that there was only one front drive model available during those times – the Coupe GT. True enough, the 2-door is my favorite of the front drive Audis from that time, but in fact Audi produced many two wheel drive cars right up to the 2000s. Few remember, for example, that there was a front drive A8 available briefly with a smaller 3.7 motor. A few generations earlier, though, and it was a different large Audi that was initially available in front drive only – the 5000, before it was a quattro, was powered only by the leading wheels. Indeed, even its famous appearance in Ferris Bueller’s Day Off was, while a Turbo model, still front drive only. And while it’s been the quattro versions of both the Coupe and 4000 that were more popularly remembered, both the 5000S and 4000S enjoyed a popular base and were good cars in their own right. Today we have two of these forgotten and forlorn Audis to take a look at:
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1985 Audi 5000S Avant on eBay…
I had a serious amount of nostalgia when I came across this listing; if finding 1980s Audis has become somewhat rare these days, finding ones in good nick has become even more so. But in this case the nostalgia stems from this particular model in this particular configuration; an Alpine White with Brazil Brown sport cloth 1985 4000S quattro. The reason why is that it’s about as close to the first car I owned as you can come. I had this car in this configuration, but a 1986 “CS” model. Outside of the “C” on the rear, the only other change was the addition of the third brake light at the base of the rear window. I didn’t start out looking for an Audi at all, and to be honest when I was 18 the B2 was virtually unknown to me. I tried – and failed – to buy a decent 2002 tii; an exercise that ultimately led a car-selling friend of my father’s to take me under his wing. He claimed he’d find the perfect car for me, and shortly thereafter I found myself paying for a 4000CS quattro without any real knowledge of it. It had about the same mileage as the car shown here, and generally was in good shape. Over the next few years, it would carry me on many adventures; long highway cruises to see friends, trips to the mountains to ski, my first track event, countless drives sideways through the snow – it became as much as friend as a vehicle. Despite that, the day came when I had to move on; owning both a Coupe GT and the 4000, I chose the former as the car to keep and the 4000CS quattro drove away. I’ve often dreamed of finding another in the shape mine left me in.…
The Audi 4000 quattro was like a Sherpa to thousands of European car enthusiasts; a steadfast winter standby with slick styling and Rally-bred sure-footedness. On paper, looking back today the 4000 was probably a bit dull; nearly 2,900 lbs of brick-on-brick design with a measly 115 horsepower motivation. But numbers don’t tell the whole story of the B2 Audi, because in any configuration it’s a great handling car. The quattro, however, had some special features that would have been headline items for any sports sedan until very recently; four wheel independent suspension with a large front sway bar and four wheel disc brakes. Couple that with the first all-wheel drive system fitted to a small car, sprinkle some luxury items in and cut the price of the exotic Quattro in half, and it didn’t matter that it wasn’t particularly fast. What the 4000 quattro was, though, was one solid all-around performer. The subtle changes from the front-drive sedan resulted in a car that felt more grown-up and refined, yet still pushed you to do silly Hoonigan things. 4000 quattro owners that I’ve talked to almost always have the same proud story; the time that they managed to get their 4000 quattro stuck. Normally, that would be a cause for embarrassment, but such was the grip of the plow-through-anything small sedan that it became a badge of honor when you outdid the car’s twin-locking differentials. The secret, of course, was just to make sure all four wheels were in the air! But because of this type of sillyness inducing competence amongst dropping residual value and a second or third tier of ownership that didn’t always repair or maintain the cars, few are left in good condition. However, I managed to scratch together a trio of three-quarters of the U.S. bound production years, all in the fetching shade of Tornado Red.…
Seeing a front wheel drive Audi 4000S is like running across an old high school photo of a group of friends. You’ve stayed in touch with the high school quarterback E30; he’s more popular than ever even if you find that baffling. The class president W201 is also still in your circle; undervalued and not as appreciated, but still probably the smartest option. But the Audi 4000S was like Judd Nelson’s character in The Breakfast Club; different than the others but popular in his own way. Of course, what’s Judd Nelson been up to lately? Exactly. I have no idea, either. The Audi 4000 front drive model was the bread and butter of Audi’s sales in the 1980s, but like the rest of the lineup they’ve virtually disappeared from the landscape. Back in the 1990s, I bought one in great shape for $300 – probably the explanation for why they’re going extinct. Unfortunately, as much of an Audi fan as I am, I can’t say that I helped the cause. I bought that whole car just for the fender, and then proceeded to take it apart. I’m a bit ashamed to say so now, because looking back it was really a nice car. It was Sapphire Blue with blue velour interior and a rare-to-see 5-speed. The 4000 wouldn’t light any fires under you if you were looking for a M3, but it was actually a really solid performer overall. Almost 20 years after I bought that car, one in nearly equal shape has popped up just down the road from me. Time for redemption?
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1986 Audi 4000S on eBay…
While the Quattro stole all of the headlines for Audi, the reality is that it was an expensive vehicle at the time – very expensive. As a halo car for Audi, the purchase price of the Quattro was around $35,000 in 1983 – more money that most of the competition that was, at least on paper, faster. Remember, a 1983 Porsche 911 coupe would have only set you back around $32,000 at the time. It was, then, the Audi R8 of its day, and like the R8 it had a limited market. Audi’s solution to the problem was to take all of the underpinnings – virtually unchanged – and pop them into the more pedestrian 80 platform. Marked as the 4000S quattro in the U.S., it developed as a legend in its own right, with a carved-from-granite drivetrain that seemed unbreakable and great handling. True, at the best part of 2800 pounds but with only 115 horsepower, it won no drag races, but the versatile small sedan took the Audi fanbase to new levels. It was, in many respects, the Audi S4 of its day. The interior and exterior received substantial upgrades for the 1985 model year, making the first year model a one-year stand that has many fans. They’re rare cars to see today, especially in great condition:
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1984 Audi 4000S quattro on eBay…
When I started at GCFSB, it was my mission to raise awareness of two of the most unappreciated cars in German motoring – the Audi Coupe GT, and the Audi 4000 Quattro. Of course, those were my first two cars so it makes sense that there would be sentimental value, but they are genuinely good cars that often get overlooked for not being Ur-quattro enough. I’ve written up some quite nice ones over the past few months, including a Graphite Metallic 1986 4000CS Quattro and Alpine White 4000S Quattro, a car that stunned most of the B2 Audi world by pushing well into the teens. Granted, perhaps it was the perfect storm, but we’ve seen sellers asking serious premiums for mint condition, original 4000s and GTs and today is no exception. Looking splendid in fresh Tornado Red comes this 1985 example:
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1985 Audi 4000S Quattro on eBay…
Two of the 4000 Quattros I wrote up in December are still on the block. Which of these all-wheel drive wonders would you choose? The first of these cars is a Zermatt Silver 1984 example which needs some love, but is now available at a much more realistic price point – less than half of what the asking price was in December.
The below post originally appeared on our site December 6, 2013:
If you were hoping the Audi 4000S we featured last weekend was a Quattro model, your wish has been granted. Here’s another white 1985 Audi 4000S 5-speed, but this time with the all-wheel drive system that made the company famous in the 1980s. This car for sale in California is a two owner vehicle with a mere 52,000 miles on the clock, sure to please Quattro fanatics everywhere.
Model: 4000S Quattro
Engine: 2.2 liter inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 52,000 miles
Price: No reserve auction
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1985 Audi 4000S Quattro on eBay
Actually I would like to sell my Audi 4000 S 1985. Don´t be confused by ebay the eBay title. The Audi 4000s is the US version of the European Audi 80. So the car, that is sold here is the American Audi 4000s.
Some hard facts:
• Brand and model: Audi Quattro 4000s
• Year: 1985
• Mileage: only 52 k
• Color: classical white
• Engine: 5-cylinder with 115 hp @ 5500 rpm
• Rims: original Audi 14′ aluminum rims
• Tires: tires has been changed 1000 miles ago
• VIN: WAUFB0853FA173483
• 4 wheel drive
• 5 gear stick-shift
• switchable differential lock
• Air conditioner
• power windows
• electrical heated front seats
• electrical adjustable side mirrors
• electrical sliding roof
• electrical healable rear windshield
• AM/FM Stereo
• emergency tire in trunk
• front and back wheel brakes
• I am the 2nd owner
• top interior conditions
• old school front seat slips (the seats underneath are in super condition)
• 2 small cracks in windshield but they are stable and don’t get bigger
• bump on left front door (hard to see)
• engine is running perfectly
• non-smoker car
• battery is 6 month old
Its overall condition I would describe for a car of this age is very good and completely original.
Before Audis sales skyrocketed over the last 15 years or so, they were seen as cars for anoraks. A different, but nonetheless sensible choice for people who wanted German quality in a slightly different package than your more common Mercedes-Benz or BMW. With Quattro all-wheel drive available on most models, they were immensely popular in the colder climes. Today, these earlier Audis make interesting and practical classics that won’t affect the wallet as bad as some classic German iron. This 4000S for sale in New York isn’t a Quattro, but is thankfully a 5-speed manual and in very good condition for its age.
Engine: 1.8 liter inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 129,000 miles
Price: Reserve auction
CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1985 Audi 4000S on eBay
Selling My 1985 Audi 4000. Everything is original. This car was meticulously maintained. All maintenance work was done by a local German repair service station which specialized only in Audi’s. If you have any questions about the car, I am more than happy to help answer them. It is just time to make more room in my garage. I bought the car 3 years ago in the same condition that you see now. The 5-speed transmission shifts smoothly. This car is not the Quattro which got much fame in the 80’s through its rally legacy but still is a great ride and always is a conversation piece for car enthusiants. Unfortunately I can not help with shipping since I don’t have a trailer. This car is also for sale locally so the auction my end early. Happy Bidding!!
This isn’t a flashy or overly optioned car, but it’s an honest sedan that has stood up to the test of time. It’s encouraging that this owner has sought out a specialist to service this car, too.…