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Porsche 964 Scavenger Hunt – Take 2
Yesterday I mentioned the challenge in being inflexible when it comes to finding the “right” car. There are so many variables that come into play with a used auto in terms of condition and care that being rigid on color, equipment and other factors can make for a very lengthy search. With that in mind I already posted what I thought was a good representation of what our buyer was looking for in a used Porsche 964.
Now, if it were me and I had to play by the same criteria I would have to give this car a long look.
Low Mile 1991 Porsche 964 For Sale:
From the seller -
“Only 63k ,3 previous owners ,Full service history,triptronic.Rare Midnight Blue. I have all of the previous receipts and MOT’s this car has been genuinely cherised always garaged hence the outstanding bodywork no flat spots or rust .This head turning 964 has never missed a beat and sounds amazing .Unfortunatly having to sell due to 2nd baby.
Also Service history by H.R.Owen Official Porsche Service Centre up to 44k. Electric windows ,electric sunroof , electric mirrors,electric adjustable seats, electric rear spoiler,6 disc cd boot changer,digital speedo,digital mpg, digital fuel gauge. Wheels are genuine RUF Speedline alloys with continental sport tyres. Still have original Porsche spanner set( unused) and Porsche compressor kit. Just been serviced and mot.
No canvassers or tyre lickers.”
Aaron’s First Porsche 964 Scavenger Hunt Find
I love a good challenge and this week’s 964 scavenger hunt provided plenty of them. As a reminder the rules were as follows:
- The prospective buyer is UK based and looking for a low mileage, black/grey/dark blue on black, left hand drive Porsche 964.
- The car needs to be straight, honest, have no accident damage, rust, and has been cherished.
- The buyer is looking to do an RS conversion so Cabrios and Targas are out of play.
When putting together a list of wants in a used car you need to be willing to sacrifice some things to gain others. Otherwise you can be in for a long haul in finding the car of your dreams. That is fine if you have that kind of time but if your need is a little more pressing you need to be willing to make concessions. In this case the buyer was willing to give a little on mileage and left/right hand drive preference for the right car. With these things in mind I present the 964 I found that most closely matched what our buyer is looking for.
1991 LHD Porsche 911 CARRERA 2 For Sale:
From the seller -
“Metallic Blue. J reg, metallic Minerva Blue Coachwork, full black leather interior, 5 speed manual, air conditioning, alloys, electric sunroof, remote central locking, Porsche alarm/immobiliser, 104000 Miles, Full service history, last owner 5 years, electric windows, electric side mirrors, power steering, ORIGINAL UMOLESTED STUNNING CONDITION THROUGHOUT FOR THE YEAR, DRIVES SUPERB.”
This car seems to meet all the criteria our buyer is looking for with the exception of the miles being a little on the high side. Even at 104k this car has only been driven an average of 5.5k miles per year. The pictures and description depict a car that has been loved and does not show any signs of premature wear. At nearly $16k British, or roughly $25k on our shores the price seems a bit high but the best cars always fetch a premium so I am willing to give the seller the benefit of the doubt. If this car is as advertised it would be a solid candidate for our buyer’s RS conversion.
~Aaron.
1992 Porsche 911 Turbo in the 964 Hunt
I struggled with the 964 scavenger hunt to be honest, but this in turn taught me an invaluable lesson on the challenge of finding that just right Porsche. Perhaps owing to its longevity and continuous shape, the 911 is pretty much the ubiquitous sports car, and even for the relatively-educated model years and changes can blend together. I love Porsches, but being more of a BMW/VW guy, I’ll bashfully admit that sometimes I’ve lumped them together as “another 911.”
Late-model, black on black RWD 964s are apparently not just “another 911.” So this became an exciting scavenger hunt for me. The closest example I could find was a Turbo, which probably puts it in the “too much money” category, but it’s still worth a good look because this is a beautiful car. Low-mileage and pure early-90s Zuffenhausen sex, this is one of the best of the breed.
1992 Porsche 911 Turbo for sale on SF Craigslist
If Evan’s Lightweight 3.3 Turbo can go for ~$64k American, $48,800 for this immaculate 911 Turbo seems fairly reasonable. The interior is impeccable and the exterior looks flawless, a black-on-black beauty. It’s no bargain, but it’s not just another 911 either.
-NR
1990 Porsche 911 Carerra 4
Here’s an early, but relatively low mileage example of the 964 chassis 911, which is becoming more of a collectors item as time passes. This example has also undergone a recent comprehensive service, which, no doubt, is of great value to potential buyers.
1990 Porsche 911 Carerra 4
The seller states:
This 1990 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 is in excellent cosmetic and mechanical condition. It is a 2-Owner Carfax Certified vehicle with zero accident history. It has always been a local car and was recently brought to us and needed some attention. Our expert 30 year Porsche Mechanics have compltety gone through this car and brought everything it needed up to date. We have adjusted the vavles, replaced the plugs and caps, rotors, brakes, air filters, replaced all belts, replaced the chain cover seals, replaced the battery and cleaned and degreased the motor. The electronics have been sorted and are in excellent working order and the front fender was repainted due to a large dent it obtained while in storage. In addition we have the former owners file on this car that contains mostly dealer service records over the years.
$20k is about spot on for values of 964 Carreras. I personally would prefer the two wheel drive version but for those living in colder climates, it could be a bonus.
-Paul
1991 Porsche 964 lightweight 3.3 Turbo
You are going to see several Porsche 964s this week as we all went out on a scavenger hunt for a reader/client request and I thought these would be worthy of posting.
My pick for this challenge hails from the United Kingdom. If money was no option you obviously go with the best you can afford. This 1991 964 isn’t the best money can buy, but at a £31,850 ask price it is getting up there. The car holds a resale value well as despite being in the U.K. it is left hand drive. This particular model is a lightweight version ready for track day with a cage, suspension work, and harnesses. It is a 3.3 turbo with 3.8 RS look body.
The vehicle appears to show some use, (is that rust around the engine compartment?), but the seller does not give mileage.
The seller, http://www.seanlockyear.co.uk, looks to specialize in some unique Porsches so I would bet it has been well sorted. There are plenty of cheaper 964s out there, but I like that the seller describes this one as “Hang on it’ll be a wild ride!” I concur.
http://www.seanlockyear.co.uk/vehicledetails.php?VehicleID=22
~Evan
Unique 500hp twin turbo 964
$100,000 is a lot of money. What if you had that much to spend on one car? What would you do? Buy something turnkey? Spend half on something nice and the other half upgrading it to your heart’s desire? I think about this kind of thing a lot. Recently I’ve been thinking that a 964 would be a great starting point.
Someone was thinking the same thing and has created this beautiful and tastefully done monster 964. The three year “open checkbook” build produced what I like to think as a perfect sleeper supercar. The somewhat reserved 964 body hides a 500hp 993TT engine linked to a 6-speed LSD gearbox for what I’m sure is brutal acceleration. The custom build also attracted some well deserved publicity in publications such as Excellence, 911 & Porsche World and Total 911.
1994 Porsche 964 with 993TT motor
The Build:
500 HP
2,760lbs
Narrow body 964
Fresh 993TT engine (Blueprinted)
Turbo S oil cooler
Tuning by UMW with matched 16/24 Turbos & 100 cell race cats
Intake plenum ramp
G50-21 6-Speed LSD gearbox (Fresh)
Lightweight Sach flywheel & turbo clutch
Turbo half-shafts and motor mounts
ARP rod bolts & head studs,
Rare Porsche Recaro ’94 Speadster seats w/2 sets of inserts, black leather & houndstooth.
Full RSR-style lightweight interior door panels & felt carpeting
NHS: 200 mph speedo + NOS VDO boost gauge w/key
Ruf custom size wheels
Ruf 965 brakes
Ruf front splitter
Ruf short-shifter
Ruf airbag steering wheel
Ruf shock-tower brace
Ruf full aluminum 8-point cage
993RS rear lightweight glass
Schroth 4-point e-belts
All steal 2 inch rear flares
Shaved A-pillar
Sunroof delete
Aluminum rear valance
Fresh Grand Prix white paint.
993 Evo uprights & tie rods
KW-V3 suspension
964 RS sway bars
I could stare at the rear end of this car all day. Some of the things that stand out to me is the red center brake light panel has been replaced with a body-color matching panel. The black RUF wheels pop against the snowy canvas. But the cherry on top is that lovely Ducktail spoiler.
$100K is a lot of money for this car; you could definitely find something faster, more reliable and more of a head-turner. However, I’m not sure if you could find something more unique, exciting and timeless.
-Ben
Mint 1994 Porsche 964 Cab With 9k Miles
One thing this whole economic downturn has done is flush a ton of fantastic low mileage cars onto the market. This ultra low mileage 964 is an excellent example. Flawless paint and supple interior round out the look of a car that has lived a privileged life. The 1994 is my favorite 964 as Porsche worked out many of the leaks and bugs that plagued some of the earlier cars.
1994 Porsche 911 C2 for Sale:
“1994 PORSCHE 911 C2 CAB 9,507 ORIGINAL MILES!!!!!! $39,999
MIDNIGHT BLUE ON CASHMERE WITH BLUE PIPING. BLUE TOP
1 OWNER, NEAR FLAWLESS, WINDOW STICKER. COLLECTOR’S WET DREAM! NO PAINTWORK, NO TOUCH UP, NO STORIES!
17″ TURBO CUP WHEELS
ALL LEATHER SEAT
SUPPLE LEATHER WITH BLUE PIPING
PORSCHE CRESTS IN WHEELS
FULL POWER SEATS LEFT AND RIGHT
PORSCHE CRESTS IN HEADRESTS
VERY EXPENSIVE AND TASTEFUL NAKAMICHI STEREO”
At nearly $40k, this is not a ripping deal by any means but for the right buyer it could provide some value. I would much rather have this car and the sound of that aircooled engine behind me than a similarly priced 996 cab. I know there may be some maintenence looming here due to inactivity, but for some reason I would have a higher level of confidence with the 964 than the water cooled cars.
The 964 also sports the classic look of a 911, no P-car since has had that 911 style. It seems that the 993, 996, and the 997 have all gotten a little further away from that iconic profile. Put that way, $40k for a nearly new water cooled 964 seems like something I would want in my garage.
~Aaron.
Ultra Rare 964 Cup for Sale
Over on Pelican a 1992 Porsche 964 Factory Cup car has surfaced. These cars are uber rare, only 260 were produced. This car was driven by Harald Grohs and Eric van der Velde in the European Carrera Cup Series. That is not to be confused with the other van der Velde. This car has since been imported and driven in the PCA Club Race series in Class GTC-1. It is a rare opportunity when a factory Porsche race car becomes available, if you are looking to dominate your next PCA track day then this is the car for you.
Porsche 964 Cup Car for Sale:
From the seller’s ad:
“Good examples like this are very rare and increasingly more difficult to find. They are a wonderfully quick and safe track or race car and because of their pure Factory lineage and low production numbers,(260TOTAL PRODUCTION) will always maintain their high intrinsic value, especially for any amateur or vintage race series. Never having sustained any structural damage the car was freshly painted in 2005 The engine is fresh with only 3 sprint races of use since it had a complete rebuild (new 964 Cup pistons and cylinders, new 964 Cup heads along with a new wiring harness, sensors and throttle body) The recently rebuilt transmission has only been exposed to one race. The suspension is also all new and uses all original Factory Cup Car parts. This wonderful example is offered with a very extensive list of spares. a NAV based data system, front and rear video cameras ,transponder and all rebuild and repair records.Current PCA logbook .”
Neat car, not sure on the price as you don’t often see these cars available on the open market. The demand for a factory cup car has to be on the narrow side as this would make an awful grocery getter.
~Aaron.
’94 RS America With Very Low Miles
This is one of those weeks where finding rare and low mile German autos is so very easy. Everywhere I look there is an example that would look good in my garage, any garage for that matter. It is weeks like this that almost make up for the times when searching for notable cars is more work than pleasure. In the pleasure category is a 1994 RS America with 15k miles that surfaced this week over on Pelican.
1994 RS America (15,955 miles)
“1994 RS America
15,955 miles (not a misprint)
3 of the 4 available options:
-220: Limited Slip Differential
-573: Air Conditioning
-650: SunroofCompression: 215, 210, 210 ,215, 210, 210
All service up to date with fresh fluids
Only mods are an Armorfend Clear Bra and ROW height H&R Springs (original springs marked & included)
Comes with the original front seats (pictured below)
Original Books, Keys, Compressor, Tools, Jack & Complete Service Records (back to the first oil change).
$79,500 obo.”
This is a very rare car in even rarer condition. Pride of ownership is evident throughout, the freaky cleanliness of the engine compartment speaks volumes about the condition of this car. Is $79.5k a good price for this car? It is not awful, I have seen several RS cars with price points both north and south of this example. I am sure there is someone out there that has been searching for this car in this sort of condition.
Price aside, that buyer would not be me. I have never understood the allure of these cars. In Europe the RS is a mass produced race car, in the states however these cars are more of a appearance group. The stateside RS cars weigh between 50-80 pounds less than a stock 964. A used fixed tail, RS seats, door panels, graphics package, and nice low mile 964 can be had for less than $35k. While these are great looking cars I would not pay twice as much for one.
~Aaron.
Interested in a 964 RS America? There’s 6 on eBay Right Now!
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While we never got the true 964 RS in this country, we did get the lovely 911 Carrera RS America. The RS America community is an exclusive one with only about 700 copies created. And they know it. I’ve determined that prices for this particular model border on crazy after browsing the classifieds on RSAmerica.net Many of these are in Turbo territory. Or even very, very nice 993 prices. Or higher!
Enough of my ranting, judge for yourself and lets see if the market is self-correcting after these auctions finish:
While this one isn’t a true factory RS America, it does include most of the options that adorned the real deal. Unfortunately it also has the tiptronic gearbox, which I believe dilutes it’s value even more. The seller seems aware of this with a buy-it-now of $24k and a recent motor rebuild. Check out this :
At the other end of the spectrum is this . But also features a nearly $80k buy-it-now! I know I’m not a collector, but I have to imagine that most enthusiast would spend their $80k differently. It is very shiny though!
Next is this (starting bid is $35k with no current bids). I remember when this color was all the rage. Still looks pretty good on this car honestly.
And two more! Both are red 93′s, one with and the other with
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