1991 Porsche 911 Turbo

Another week, another 964 series 911 Turbo, it seems. 1990 saw the introduction of the 964, and one year later, the Turbo bowed with a 3.3 liter engine producing 315 horsepower. The 964 Turbo models are, much like the rest of the 964 range, steadily increasing in value and gaining the attention of collectors. Here’s a fairly clean, early example with late model Porsche wheels.

The seller states:

Here is a sweet 1991 Turbo 911. This rare car is in great shape inside, outside, and mechanically. It has Turquoise Metallic (59) paint and a grey interior. Body and paint are in great shape with the usual paint chips around the wheel flares. The engine number is 61M00854 and transmission number is 2M00855. I have the Porsche Certificate of Authenticity for this car. It is fast and drives like it should, like a race car.

The thing that stands out in the ad is the fact that the car comes with Porsche’s Certificate of Authenticity, important to any collector. The reserve isn’t met at $25,000, but it would be safe to say this car would make it well into the $30k range if an interested buyer exists. Besides the 911 3.2 from the 1980s, I have to say the 964 is perhaps my favorite 911 of them all.

Here’s a clip from the PBS show Motor Week highlighting the 1992 Turbo, essentially the same vehicle:

-Paul

1991 Porsche 911 Turbo, rare color

The spectrum of colors that has appeared on the Porsche 911 over the years is vast, to say the least. Here we have an oddball color, Rubystone Red, on a rather butch looking 964 Turbo. While not completely original, the upgrades have been tasteful, as the description illustrates.

The seller states:

You are viewing an extremely rare Porsche 911 turbo. This 965 is finished in Rubystone Red (looks purple in most light or even magenta) and is one of as few as perhaps 2 made in this color of the 674 brought to the usa for 1991! This car has been owned by the same person for 12+ years. It had just 19,497 miles when the previous owner bought it in March of 1998. The Rubystone Red paint appears to be original and all of the panels are original to the car and still have their VIN# stickers, etc. in their proper locations. The previous owner had a 1994 turbo 3.6 s engine installed in the car several years ago and then had the local independent Porsche specialst shop go through the motor and make some modifications. If you are still reading this then you probably know how rare the 3.6 Turbo S cars are and what an impressive engine this is! Porsche built just 155 option code x88 turbo 3.6 s engines! It was conservatively rated at 385 hp according to flachbau.com. Most of these engines were installed in the flat nose cars, but a customer could special order one for installation in a regular ’94 turbo as well. Here are some other details about this rare Porsche:

• M64/50 S TURBO 3.6 S ENGINE OPTION CODE X88
• REBUILT FOR $21K 12K MILES AGO BY AN EXPERT PORSCHE SHOP
• TWIN PLUG CYLINDER HEADS
• PORTED CYLINDER HEADS TO 38mm (PLENUM MATCHED AT 38mm)
• GT2 EVO CAMS
• ALIGN BORED CASES
• MICRO POLISHED CRANK
• ALL NEW BEARINGS, ROD BOLTS, HEAD STUDS, ETC.
• B&B STAINLESS STEEL EXHAUST
• REBUILT 5 SPEED TRANSMISSION
• UP-DATED CLUTCH RELEASE ARM
• FUEL ENRICHMENT SYSTEM
• NEW COMPLETE 3.6 TURBO FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM ($3K!)
• REAL 18 INCH SPEEDLINE TURBO 3.6 3 PIECE WHEELS! (WORTH A SMALL FORTUNE BY THEMSELVES!)
• SUPPLE LEATHER INTERIOR WITH PURPLE PIPING
• FACTORY AC
• FACTORY SUNROOF
• AM-FM CD (NICE AFTERMARKET UNIT)
• COIL OVER ADJUSTABLE SUSPENSION
• LOWERED TO EUROPEAN RIDE HEIGHT

The 964 is only beginning to appreciate in value, as it has always been kind of the stepchild between the 3.2 models and the last air cooled 993 versions. For a car with tasteful modifications that has been preserved well with tasteful modifications, the asking price seems almost a bargain.

-Paul

1992 Porsche 911 Turbo in the 964 Hunt

I struggled with the 964 scavenger hunt to be honest, but this in turn taught me an invaluable lesson on the challenge of finding that just right Porsche.  Perhaps owing to its longevity and continuous shape, the 911 is pretty much the ubiquitous sports car, and even for the relatively-educated model years and changes can blend together.  I love Porsches, but being more of a BMW/VW guy, I’ll bashfully admit that sometimes I’ve lumped them together as “another 911.”

Late-model, black on black RWD 964s are apparently not just “another 911.”  So this became an exciting scavenger hunt for me.  The closest example I could find was a Turbo, which probably puts it in the “too much money” category, but it’s still worth a good look because this is a beautiful car.  Low-mileage and pure early-90s Zuffenhausen sex, this is one of the best of the breed.

1992 Porsche 911 Turbo for sale on SF Craigslist

If Evan’s Lightweight 3.3 Turbo can go for ~$64k American, $48,800 for this immaculate 911 Turbo seems fairly reasonable.  The interior is impeccable and the exterior looks flawless, a black-on-black beauty.  It’s no bargain, but it’s not just another 911 either.

-NR

1990 Porsche 911 Carerra 4

Here’s an early, but relatively low mileage example of the 964 chassis 911, which is becoming more of a collectors item as time passes. This example has also undergone a recent comprehensive service, which, no doubt, is of great value to potential buyers.

1990 Porsche 911 Carerra 4

The seller states:

This 1990 Porsche 911 Carrera 4 is in excellent cosmetic and mechanical condition. It is a 2-Owner Carfax Certified vehicle with zero accident history. It has always been a local car and was recently brought to us and needed some attention. Our expert 30 year Porsche Mechanics have compltety gone through this car and brought everything it needed up to date. We have adjusted the vavles, replaced the plugs and caps, rotors, brakes, air filters, replaced all belts, replaced the chain cover seals, replaced the battery and cleaned and degreased the motor. The electronics have been sorted and are in excellent working order and the front fender was repainted due to a large dent it obtained while in storage. In addition we have the former owners file on this car that contains mostly dealer service records over the years.

$20k is about spot on for values of 964 Carreras. I personally would prefer the two wheel drive version but for those living in colder climates, it could be a bonus.

-Paul

1991 Porsche 964 lightweight 3.3 Turbo

You are going to see several Porsche 964s this week as we all went out on a scavenger hunt for a reader/client request and I thought these would be worthy of posting.

My pick for this challenge hails from the United Kingdom. If money was no option you obviously go with the best you can afford. This 1991 964 isn’t the best money can buy, but at a £31,850 ask price it is getting up there. The car holds a resale value well as despite being in the U.K. it is left hand drive. This particular model is a lightweight version ready for track day with a cage, suspension work, and harnesses. It is a 3.3 turbo with 3.8 RS look body.

The vehicle appears to show some use, (is that rust around the engine compartment?), but the seller does not give mileage.

The seller, http://www.seanlockyear.co.uk, looks to specialize in some unique Porsches so I would bet it has been well sorted.  There are plenty of cheaper 964s out there, but I like that the seller describes this one as “Hang on it’ll be a wild ride!” I concur.

http://www.seanlockyear.co.uk/vehicledetails.php?VehicleID=22

~Evan

Interested in a 964 RS America? There’s 6 on eBay Right Now!

While we never got the true 964 RS in this country, we did get the lovely 911 Carrera RS America. The RS America community is an exclusive one with only about 700 copies created. And they know it. I’ve determined that prices for this particular model border on crazy after browsing the classifieds on RSAmerica.net Many of these are in Turbo territory. Or even very, very nice 993 prices. Or higher!

Enough of my ranting, judge for yourself and lets see if the market is self-correcting after these auctions finish:


While this one isn’t a true factory RS America, it does include most of the options that adorned the real deal. Unfortunately it also has the tiptronic gearbox, which I believe dilutes it’s value even more. The seller seems aware of this with a buy-it-now of $24k and a recent motor rebuild. Check out this :

1993 Porsche 911 Carrera with RS America Options For Sale


At the other end of the spectrum is this . But also features a nearly $80k buy-it-now! I know I’m not a collector, but I have to imagine that most enthusiast would spend their $80k differently. It is very shiny though!

1994 Porsche 964 RSA For Sale with 15000 miles


Next is this (starting bid is $35k with no current bids). I remember when this color was all the rage. Still looks pretty good on this car honestly.

1993 Porsche 911 RS America in Teal For Sale


RS America Race Car For Sale


And two more! Both are red 93’s, one with and the other with .

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1992 Porsche 911 964 Carrera Cup Car, 1 of 45 Legal Cars in the U.S.

Here is a really rare opportunity for 964 series Porsche 911 fans to own what is described as a thinly veiled 964 RS — that never came to our shores. Luckily the .

Obviously only hard-core collectors need to take notice as even 965 Turbos go for less than half of this. But the RS and Cup cars could be compared to the GT3 models of today, which are considered the “drivers” tool of choice.

The owner of this car points to the CarreraCupUSA.org site which has all the details on what makes this car special, including this great article from Excellence detailing the nuances that make this car special. Cliff Notes:

  • Very unusual import procedure made these cars road legal. All 45 were intended for a race series that never got off the ground. They were modified by Andial to compete in the race series, but when the series went bust, they were converted back to road cars, which were U.S. legal, and sold.
  • Basically a U.S. legal version of the 1992 964 RS, plus some factory modifications for racing, minus some of the trick bits that made the RS a great road car.
  • Crazy 964 fanatics like myself put a ridiculous value on these cars due to their story and rarity.

You can put this car under my Powerball fantasy winning picks as usual. In the meantime, check out these 964 Carrera Cup resource pages:

February 2004 Excellence magazine article, “America’s Cup”
Great side by side comparison of RS and Carrera Cup stats on p-cars – plus it features an example of $89,000. Who knows how old this reference is…
Porsche 964 Wikipedia entry

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1990 Porsche 964 For Sale in Santa Rosa

Oh how I love the 964 series Porsche 911’s! Here is a great looking example with only 88k miles on the clock and an asking of only $17800 on Craigslist:

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quote from seller’s listing:

This is a very solid 911 with only 88k miles. It drives very strong and has very solid engine. It is 5-speed. The interior is cashmere with dual leather power seats. It has all power moonroof, windows, locks, ac, abs, very nice sound system, etc,…The both exterior and interior are in good condition. Just got new battrey and tires and oil and filter.

In a brief chat with my buddy Paul from Sports Car Shop, my personal Porsche expert and close friend, his first word were, “when are we headed down to buy this car?!” As you can tell, he agrees it looks like it’s worth a look!

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1990 Porsche C2, 1988 BMW e28 M5, 1989 e30 M3 S50

Speed-linking the posts today because I’m swamped at work! Here we go:

1990 Porsche Carrera 2 on Portland Craigslist for $13k. This is a suspiciously low asking even with the bad clutch, oil leaks, respray, mileage, and low a/c. Then again, it will cost several thousand to correct all those issues. Is this just a case of a realistic seller? I didn’t they existed!

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quote from seller’s Portland Craigslist posting:

I’m selling my 1990 Porsche 911 C2 Coupe, 5 speed manual. guards red paint, black interior in good shape, 113,000 miles, original non smoker California car, clean carfax, aero mirrors, cup 1 wheels (replicas), dual exhaust, keyless remote door locks, new alternator, new alternator fan and belts, new starter, new battery, Alpine stereo, new paint, some records, no accident history. Starts up and runs great, no smoke at startup.
Needs new clutch, drips oil a drop or two, tires at about 50%, sunroof works strong, but needs some TLC, center of rear bumper cover has 6″ round spider web in the paint, AC needs a recharge.
$13000 OBO

This next one is for Jim! A super low miles BMW e28 M5 for sale in Ohio. Enthusiast Auto is well known for their large stock of e30 M3’s and now they have this M5 with under 6k original miles for $46,990!

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quote from Roadfly listing:

Schwarz Black over Natural Tan Leather
ONLY 5,125 Actual 1-Owner Miles!
It is a Garage Queen with Zero Scratches, Marks or Imperfections!
This car is in Concours Condition and is the Best Preserved, Lowest Mileage US-Production E28 M5 known to exist.
All History + Documentation! Nearly Perfect Example!
The car has been stored in a heated garage its entire life.

Finally we have this 89 e30 M3 with the S50 6 cylinder conversion. This one has a bunch of Dinan and aftermarket parts in addition to the swap.

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quote from eBay listing:

  • Dinan 3.0 liter S50 Conversion built by our Dinan Service Center in 2007 at The Gourmet Garage in Lexington, SC
  • Featured at 2007 BMW homecoming at the BMW plant in Greer,SC
  • Stage 3 Dinan Engine : Euro Air Mass, Stage 3 Dinan Chip, Dinan Fuel Pressure regulator, Strut tower brace,Dinan Badge
  • Lightweight 16lb flywheel,Stage 2 Competition Clutch, Short shifter conversion
  • The Cold Air Intake , Exhaust , Catalytic Converter , and wiring integration were custom fabricated in our shop.
  • New Bilsteins front and rear, New front control arms, E36 M3 quick ratio rack and pinion
  • BMW 3 piece 17″ wheels, were disassembled machined and powder coated by Alloy Wheel Specialists
  • Yokohama Parada Assymetrical tires 215/40ZR17
  • New leather installed on front Sport Seats
  • Hand painted “M” color pinstripes
  • Professionally repainted , wet sanded by hand , buffed and polished
  • AC converted to R134a
  • Speedometer rebuilt and set to 0 when Conversion was completed and sold to last owner in 2007
  • Current mileage shown reflects mileage since conversion 9,908 (Not actual miles on Body)
  • Dinan chip allows no speed limiter

I love doing this blog, but my full-time job and part-time clients are keeping me very busy. Anyone out there feel like co-authoring the blog with me?

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1991 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 For Sale in New Mexico

This has to be one of the most attractively priced 964’s in the country right now. Under 100k miles, records, and pictures to prove a clean example. And only $16k asking price!

Check out this 1991 Porsche 911 Carrera 2 Coupe on Autotrader:

quote from seller’s listing:

1991 911C2, Grand Prix White with Black leather interior. 97500 miles, all maintenance records. Recent brakes, new rear tires Goodyear Eagle F1 DG’s. Power windows, locks and sunroof. Cruise and AC in perfect working order. Seats are partial power seats (meaning only the bottom is powered). It has a Kenwood CD player and 10 disc changer. The head unit blends in nicely with the interior (I hate the bright shiny blinky silver ones that don’t look like they belong in a 90’s Porsche). The Exterior is in very good shape. Paint is shiny and in excellent condition. The interior is in excellent condition as well. No cracks in the dash and the seats look fantastic. The car has never been on the track. I have the complete maintenance history of the car and I carfaxed it before I bought it in August of 2005. I had it inspected by the shop I’ve used for the last 5 years, they said it was one of the cleanest 964’s they’ve seen come through. It has no issues. They have taken care of a couple external oil leaks, the last being the return line from the oil cooler up front in the nose. The brakes were done recently, along with a synthetic oil change. AC was recharged last summer. For the blemishes…it has a little scrape on the left side of the rear bumper. Not sure how it will show in the pictures, it’s half the size of a dime. There is a rock chip in the right head light. And on the way home from work last week, I picked up rock chip to the windshield. If I don’t get it fixed before selling I’ll take $500 off the selling price. I’ll be trying to get it done next week though. It has been a great car! A lot of fun, it’ll still get 25 or 26mpg on the highway cruising at 80. We’ve taken some fun road trips in it. I’m selling it because I’ll be deploying to Afghanistan for a year and I don’t want it to sit for a year.

I’m having a tough time trying to decide between a Boxster and a 964. My thinking lately is that there are far more Boxsters than 964’s, and that 964 prices might be more stable over the next couple years as a result. Thoughts? Leave a comment!

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