1993 Porsche 911 RS America

This 911 might make for an interesting test case. We’ve featured the 911 RS America a number of times throughout the years. It’s a car I like quite a bit. However, the consistent issue with almost any RS America is pricing relative to a standard 964 Carrera 2. While the RS America is indeed a lightened, more performance-oriented, version of the Carrera 2 the general sentiment has long been that the additional performance has not been worth the premium these cars have commanded in recent years. Like many of the rarer air-cooled 911 models, RS America prices elevated quite a bit and even if they aren’t as high as they once were they remain significant.

These days the actual full-blooded Carrera RS is available to import. On the one hand, given that the car the RS America aspires to be now is available we might see RS America prices take a turn downward. Why pay six figures for the pretender when you can get the real thing? On the other hand, prices for a Carrera RS are still significantly higher than for a RS America. Might this then keep RS America prices fairly strong? While not a true RS, they’re still marginally better than a Carrera 2 and you save quite a bit of money. I don’t know, but I’m interested to see how things play out.

But what about a RS America that tries to exist in a middle ground? That brings us to the example here. Being made available by Don Ahearn at Porsport, this RS America has been upgraded with factory RS parts to help align it more closely with the Carrera RS. It still isn’t to full RS specifications, but it’s closer. Might it have enough additional allure to support its higher price?

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1993 Porsche 911 RS America

I’ll say straightaway that I have a couple questions about this 1993 Porsche 911 RS America. I also think it’s priced a good bit too high, though that’s a problem with a lot of RS Americas we see come up for sale. We’ll get to those questions though. First, the good stuff.

As you can probably see this one has received a full wrap in Martini Racing livery. If you were to imagine what a 964 wearing such livery at the track would look like this is probably it. And it looks great! The Martini striping really works well over the curves of the rear quarters. I’d want to remove the stickers for the dealer, but otherwise I think this conveys its intent well. This RS America also is one of the low-option examples. There were only four options available (A/C, sunroof, radio, and limited-slip differential) so none of them have lots of options, but still for a car that’s supposed to be stripped down a lot of them seem to have those things added back. This one clearly does not have the radio or sunroof. We don’t get a clear look at the option sticker and the ad leaves us blind, but I think the only option chosen was the LSD. For those in search of the sportiest RSA out there this one checks those boxes.

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Tuner Tuesday: 1993 Porsche 911 RS America Gemballa Slantnose

Gemballa has been around for quite a while. Since the early 80’s they’ve been creating designs for a wide variety of Porsches with a few Mercedes and Ferraris thrown in as well. Honestly, most of their designs I haven’t much liked. I like over the top – I mean I’m a fan of RWB – but Gemballa has always seemed over the top in a way that I found unappealing. It’s a fine line for tuners to walk and built entirely upon subjectivity; some find the right balance, some miss the mark.

Here we have one that I do like. At least for the most part. Based off the 911 RS America, this Gemballa build was to serve as a showcase car and, if we’re to believe the ad, demonstrate the more refined style they were hoping to put forth once the excesses of the ’80s were behind them. It’s still fairly over the top, but not too crazy and its likeness to the Flatnose Turbo S makes it look like something the factory may have even produced. It’s sort of a melding of the Turbo S and the 3.8 Carrera RSR, both highly sought after machines that turn the heads of just about anyone who sees one. I imagine this Gemballa will do the same.

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Year: 1993
Model: 911 RS America
Engine: 3.8 liter flat-6
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 16,937 mi
Price: $99,500 Buy It Now

Before Singer’s amazing creations, before RWB’s wide bodies, before Magnus Walker officially made it cool to NOT be a typical Porsche guy, before TechArt, there was Uwe Gemballa.

The Gemballa’s of the 80’s were radical creations with massive body kits and interior customization. As Gemballa moved into the 90’s they evolved into a more performance focused company with more subtle streamlined body work. This car is the result.

What I know about this car and its history came from the previous owner, a copy of the Gemballa RSR spec sheet, and from the July 1995 issue of Eurosport Car magazine in which this car was featured. The car’s history goes like this: When Gemballa opened in California they needed a vehicle to showcase what services they were going to offer. They chose this RS America. The car was flown to Germany, the modifications were done at Gemballa and the car was returned to California.

There is no other RS America modified like this that I know of. It’s exclusive, unique, fast, and loud.

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I have been a Suncoast PCA member since 2003. There are many Porsche experts out there, I am not one of them. Please ask any and all questions in advance. I will respond asap to the best of my knowledge. The car is available for viewing by appointment in Clearwater, FL. If you would like the car inspected I can suggest a local company who has recently worked on the car or other arrangements within our local area can be made. Viewings and inspections must be done prior to auction close. If you want a picture of something not shown here, just ask.

Terms of Sale: Your winning bid is a binding contract. A deposit is due within 48 hours of auction end unless something else is agreed upon by both parties. Balance needs paid in full via wire transfer within 3 days of auction close. No I won’t fall for cashiers check / M.O. scams so don’t ask. The car is sold AS-IS, Where-IS and must be picked up in Clearwater, FL. I have someone who can help with shipping also if that’s an option for you and we can discuss that as needed. No warranty is expressed or implied. The title is clear and in hand. I reserve the right to end the auction early as the vehicle may be advertised elsewhere.

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I have included below the details of the condition and just some details of the cars history, based on the information I have. The car is nice overall but I will try and list everything, no matter how small, that a buyer could be critical of and condition mentioned is my opinion only. Consider the condition to be nice unless specifically noted otherwise. I’m going to be really picky, but I may have missed something

Additional pictures available at this link, including of most mentioned flaws, and they may show up in reverse order: 1070.photobucket.com/user/CLWTUSKEN/library/1993%20RS%20AMERICA%20GEMBALLA%20RSR?sort=2&page=1

Owners: I have owned this car since 2003. The Carfax shows I’m the third owner. I originally thought that I showed up as 3rd on Carfax due to a title change between states or spouses when the previous owner moved to Florida ( it shows 2nd ownership for only 15 days ). I have since found the original owners name in the Maintenance log, so I’m unsure of the timeline but I believe the 15 days is incorrect and only represents the time owned in Florida.

Fun Fact: In 2005 I attended Porsche Parade in Hershey, PA. I was honored to lead the largest gathering ever of Porsche RS America’s up the hill to the Hershey hotel. You can find the article about that here: rsamerica.net/articles/member/keithv_parade_05_rsa_corral.htm

VIN / Production #: WP0AB2967PS418054 / the 54th RS America built , M-Date 3/92

Mileage: 16,937 at picture time, this will increase slightly…..

RS America options: Out of the 4 available factory options, LSD, Sunroof, A/C and Cassette Radio, this car originally came with 2: Limited Slip Differential ( 220 ) and Sunroof ( 650 ). The article stated that Gemballa added the A/C and Alpine CD player.

Color = Grand Prix White

Per the ID label this car was also originally taken as a European Delivery

Gemballa Modifications per sheet and article:

Slant-Nose w/ flush headlight glass / poly-ellipsoid halogen lights

Sportster front skirt and side skirts with air intakes

Factory Metal quarter panels, Turbo sized fender flares on rear, ported for engine cooling

RSR Carbon fiber air channels added to ported front bumper for brake cooling ( replaced fog lamps )

Rear 3 piece bumper assembly with dual exhaust ports

3.8 RSR rear spoiler with adjustable carbon fiber middle

18” Speedline RSR CUP DESIGN 3 piece wheels 9×18 & 11×18 polished lip

Recaro A8 seats w/ Red Sparco harness

Roll Cage – custom lightweight with adjustable diagonal strut brace

Carbon fiber interior pieces: dash, brake lever, shift knob

White face gauges

RSR sport suspension, street tuned, springs, Bilstein shocks

RSR anti sway bars & Strut tower brace

Turbo brakes, red 4 piston calipers

RSR Clutch

RSR stainless steel exhaust including headers

MOTOR: the Gemballa spec sheet reads: “3.8 RSR Engine, all factory racing components.” The article reads: “Using Porsche parts throughout, the engine was upped from a stock 250 horsepower to a pavement ripping 375 hp. Likewise, torque was increased from 229 ft-lbs. to 282 ft.-lbs.. To maximize power output the redline was raised to 7150 rpm. A two pipe exhaust system originally used on the 965 Turbo, was added to relieve back pressure/ A larger throttle, 8mm wider in diameter, was substituted, as were valve spring caps and camshafts. The engine’s displacement was increased to 3.81 litres using original RSR parts and backed by an RSR clutch.”

I did not receive any maintenance history paperwork from the previous owner. At some point he had some repairs to the motor, although I don’t know the exact details. I’m not sure if Gemballa USA is who worked on it or not, but I know they know about it.

In May I just had almost $5k worth of services done: New battery, filters, brakes, fuel sender, various gaskets, washers, seals, o-rings, belts, etc.

Interior: The dash, headliner, door panels, are all in excellent condition. The drivers seat shows slight wear as expected. The seat backs show some paint removal where they come in contact with the roll cage. This happens when the seats are pushed back that far. See picture.

The left side/thigh support of the drivers seat is loose, but it actually makes getting in and out easier. There is also a plastic trim piece missing from the side of this seat.

Boot/Trunk: New Battery. Carpet in good condition, tool kit and spare tire. See picture. The boot / trunk struts need replaced, they no longer hold it open.

Accidents: The car has never been in an accident that I know of. When I purchased the car there was an outward dent in the trunk lid, where the previous owner had closed the lid and a brush handle was sticking up. I had this fixed locally by Superior Auto Body.

Track: I personally have never had the car on a track but I did autocross it once locally. The previous owner did say he tracked the car some but I don’t know details / frequency.

Exterior: I have always kept the car stored inside in a climate controlled garage. The paint is in good condition with imperfections as mentioned:

There are some, ( 4 – I believe ) minor cracks/chips in the windshield, these happened with the previous owner.

There are small rock chips / scuffs on front end skirt, as well as in the paint between the rear wide body air intake vents and the bottom of the car, and also around air intake on the side skirts. The passenger side seemed more affected, there is also a small ding in the passenger side air duct. There are 4 small dot size chips on the wing on the passenger side. See pictures.

On the top of the passenger door there is a small area where the 1st layer of paint is missing, about 4mm or 5mm, isn’t very noticeable as it’s white / white.

There is a tiny crack, about 4mm or 5mm developing on top of front drivers fender. See picture.

There is a crack inside the air intake on the rear driver’s side wide body. See picture.

There is a small crack inside the air intake on the passenger’s side wide body. See picture.

There is a small spider web crack in the paint on the passengers rear flare, approx. 1 cm. See picture.

On the grill area of the rear wing, there are 3 places where there are small cracks. There are 18 of these small support areas between the grill lines, the last 3 towards the back are cracked, all in the same spot as this seems to be the area with the most flex. They don’t affect anything physical, just a cosmetic issue. See picture.

The light to the right of the license plate is loose and there are some small cracks in the corner of the opening for this light.

Wheels: There is minor curb rash on some wheels, one wheel has a minor dent on the lip. The tires are Michelin Pilot Sport 235/40ZR18 & 295/30ZR19 and while they have plenty of tread they are older tires. I’d have to check what year I had them put on but you should put some fresh rubber on before doing any real driving.

Sunroof: As of 8/19/17, the sunroof now has a small issue closing. While I was making sure everything worked on the car, a tiny plastic piece on the drivers side of the sunroof mechanism broke. This small piece helped allow the plastic piece that pops up when opened, to go down slightly when closing. So right now you have to use your hand to hold it down until the sunroof slides over it. Hopefully a cheap fix, I’ll try and have it looked at as soon as I have time.

Elec / Lights: All Head lights work. Both Blinkers work. Parking lights work. Both interior domes work. 2 horn buttons on steering wheel, left one works, right one doesn’t..

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Other included items, extra’s, etc.:

The original copy of Eurosport Car magazine from July 1995 featuring this car, plus digital copies of the article.

An original OEM muffler and exhaust tip ( p/n 964.111.046.05 ) will be included with the car. See pic.

Ring and Pinion, 31:9 (3.44) These extras came to me with the car, I’ve never had any gear work done.

Sparco harnesses, Red, 3”/2”. See picture. These look orange in the pic, but it’s just the light. They are red and like new, I personally have never used or even installed them.

2 small Roll Cage pieces, some paint chips ( never used or installed since I’ve owned it ) See pic.

The original Gemballa floor mats were replaced but will be included. See picture.

Brand new floor mats, never opened. 964.551.015.00.5FV , 964.551.012.01.5FV , 964.551.021.00.5FV

A custom bra with headlight and mirror covers ( never used or installed since I’ve owned it ) See pic.

A spare set of the headlight glass for the front fenders will be included – THESE ARE VERY RARE. My wife bought these many years ago from Heinz at Gemballa USA and I believe at the time he told her they were his last set. We bought them just to have as backups.

That this 911 was an RS America prior to its build probably isn’t too relevant at this point, but at least it provided a nice starting point for all of the work. The seller suggests it’s the only RS America with this Gemballa conversion, which is probably pretty likely, and I’m curious how many other 964s at all were converted, if any. So this is definitely a rare find. The mileage is very low and it generally looks pretty good. Add in a substantial boost in power – stated to be 385 hp – and you’ve got a machine with the performance to match its much more aggressive looks!

While there are plenty of details we’d probably like about its history and previous ownership the seller has been fairly straightforward in passing along what he knows about the car as well as what he doesn’t know. Or, at least, as well as you can pass along information you don’t know. Given the mileage we’d generally expect near flawless condition, but there are a few flaws and minor niggles here and there. There’s not too much that would deeply trouble us, but the statements about engine work performed by a previous owner certainly should spark some further investigation. It’s a high-strung machine so engine work wouldn’t necessarily be unexpected, but with fewer than 17K miles we might question whether it was abused. Naturally, a PPI is a must.

So how much should this extra performance, exclusivity, and added cachet of the Gemballa name be worth? So far, not that much as bidding sits at only $60,100. I would imagine there’s plenty of hesitation given everything needing verification and that may restrain any bidding for a little while. There are still a good number of days left on the auction so we may see this number rise. We’ll certainly have to see it rise before there’s a sale. The combination of such a longstanding name in the tuning world and the power and performance of this build should be enough to bring things up. We’ll just have to see how desirable this 964 now is.

-Rob

Ferrari Yellow 1993 Porsche 911 RS America – 1 of 4

I am a fan of the RS America. I feel like I need to say this because I know sometimes the car is criticized for being somewhat half-hearted. Meaning: it isn’t really that close to the Carrera RS that it serves to replace for the US market. I understand those criticisms; they are certainly valid. I like it anyway. I like the look, I especially like the whale tail on a 964, and I like that it’s a bit paired down from the standard Carrera 2. I don’t like the current prices and I know a hefty amount of the current criticism of the model stems from those prices and whether those prices make sense. That’s a different conversation.

I also like yellow cars, especially bright yellow cars. So as you can imagine I really like this Ferrari Yellow 1993 Porsche 911 RS America. It is one of only four produced in this color and given the limited colors available as standard that makes this one stand apart even more. It was spec’d with three of the four available options: radio, A/C, and sunroof. Interestingly, we’ve featured one of the other three existing cars before. Only two more for the whole set!

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Year: 1993
Model: 911 RS America
Engine: 3.6 liter flat-6
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 30,873 mi
Price: Reserve Auction ($299,500 Buy It Now)

This 1993 Porsche FLY RS America up for auction comes from a distinguished collector’s stable and is in superb condition. This is one (1) of Four (4) Ferrari Light Yellow RS Americas produced by Porsche in M.Y.1993. This is the ACTUAL car that was on display at the 1993 New York Autoshow (this car was specifically ordered for the show). We are the 3rd proud owners and have thoroughly enjoyed the car. This RS has been well taken care of. Having only 30,873 original miles, the car has been to many shows and rallys, but has never been “tracked”, so to speak. The car has yellow belts and door handles/pulls, as well as black sport seats. Hidden in the driver rear compartment is a high-end Alpine amplifier, with an additional CD changer, mounted directly above. The car was outfitted with a clear bra approximately 2005. The car has an extensive file of documentation containing ownership and service history (original bill of sale & delivery report), AND both of the ORIGINAL window stickers issued by Porsche for the car, as well as all the original RS brochures, Owner’s manuals, NY Autoshow pics etc. (see below). This is a very rare Porsche with full and complete service history and ownership history/provenance. This is a once in a lifetime opportunity to own an incredibly rare and superb representation of the legend that is the RS America. Please email or call me with any questions. Serious inquiries only, please. Good luck and happy bidding!!!

The new owner(s) will receive all ownership documentation and/or including:

Both original Window stickers for the car (One stamped in red “NOT FOR SALE”)

All Ownership History/Provenance

All Service History

All original owner’s/warranty manuals

The car’s “file” with many different articles and references to the car

Porsche Certificate of Authenticity (COA)

Yellow RS America Polo Shirt (that came with the car)

Original 1993 RS America brochure for the car

3 Pictures of the car at the NY Autoshow on display

Porsche diagram layout of NY Autoshow display

All Correspondence from Porsche to respective owners of this car.

COA Highlights:

VIN: WP0AB2960PS419188

Model Year: 1993 911 RS America

Engine Number: 62P02407

Transmission Number: 1003180

Exterior Paint Color/Code: Color To Sample–Non Metallic

Interior Material Color/Type: Black Leatherette XZ
Optional Equipment:

AM/FM Radio Cassette Player with 2 Speakers

Air Conditioning With Full Climate Control

Electric Sliding Sunroof

There is also a website dedicated to RS Americas, and specifically, there is a wealth of information pertaining to the four (4) 1993 FLY’s in existence, one of which you see here up for auction.

The website is: rsamerica.net

If you have any questions about this fine auto, please don’t hesitate to email or call me and I will respond as soon as possible. Bid with Confidence!!! Thanks for L@@king!!!

For those who are critics of the high prices for the RS America, you might want to look away. Given that the higher pricing of these cars stems from the combination of their relative rarity and that they are a performance upgrade it should make sense that a very rare version of said model would attract even higher prices. But this is absurd. The other Ferrari Yellow RSA we featured had an asking price just under $210K. The mileage was similar, albeit slightly higher. That one sold, I don’t recall for precisely how much, but we can assume it was pretty close to asking. Adding nearly another $100K? That doesn’t seem realistic. We’ll have to see how this auction plays out to get a better sense of the market, but with the air-cooled 911 market itself not what it once was I can’t really see it happening.

This is a great car and a car I would love to own. But for $300K I think I can find plenty of other options and still be quite happy.

-Rob

1993 Porsche 911 RS America – No A/C, No Sunroof

Edit 11/25/2017 – the asking price on this example has dropped a substantial $40,000 from $159,888 to $119,888.

I have been looking for one of these for what feels like forever: a 911 RS America with limited options. I’d still love to find one that lacks the radio, having only the limited-slip differential as a selected option, but the one we see here which lacks both the sunroof and A/C is close enough. So many of these lightened 964s have retained those heavier options and while the RS America doesn’t fully approach the Carrera RS in the no frills department it’s still nice to see one that has gone the extra step.

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Year: 1993
Model: 911 RS America
Engine: 3.6 liter flat-6
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 29,376 mi
Price: $119,888 Buy It Now

1993 Porsche RS America in Rare White over Black Cloth Sports Seats. Super Rare with Sunroof & AC Delete. Low Miles All Books and Keys. Clean Carfax. Upgraded Big Red Brakes. No leaks Runs and Drives Great. Serious Inquiries Call 201.310.0048

It seems that this seller understands how long it can take to find a RSA with these limited options because the asking price is well higher than what we’ve seen for one of these in quite a while. And even those we’ve seen priced closer to $120K than $160 haven’t been selling very quickly, if at all. These are rare 964s, but they’re also readily available on the second-hand market if you’re willing to pay the steep cost. There was a time a couple years back when RSA values were rising quickly, but those days are well behind us. Prices haven’t plummeted or anything like that, but it’s clear rising values will be reserved for only the best low-mileage examples.

This one comes in at pretty low mileage, but not the sort of ultra-low miles that I’d suspect would be necessary at this asking price. How the lack of options plays in, we’ll have to see. Some people really want the fully-optioned examples, while others are looking for one like this. In either case, those options do provide their own aspect of rarity to an already rare model.

-Rob

1993 Porsche 911 RS America

It’s been a while since I’ve featured Porsche’s 911 RS America and I’m curious about their current place on the market now that the air-cooled market has slowed down a good bit. It also provides us a nice contrast with yesterday’s Carrera 2 and I think reveals some of the potential issues with that car’s price relative to similar 964s. The RS America represented the US version of the 964 Carrera RS, though in truth it’s a far cry – and far cheaper – than the RS. It features a few aesthetic details that separate it from a standard Carrera 2, most notably the fixed whale tail rather than the mechanically-raised spoiler standard on other 964s, along with the departure of some creature comforts in the name of lightness. Performance is enhanced with sport suspension borrowed from the Turbo. These have remained highly sought after on the second-hand market over the past two years with values of many of them easily exceeding six-figures. The example here, a Grand Prix White 1993 Porsche 911 RS America, comes in with an asking price just below $100K. Of the four available options this one comes equipped with sunroof and A/C.

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1993 Porsche 911 RS America

It’s been a while since I featured a RS America so I thought it might be a decent time to take a look at one once again. As a somewhat pared down and lightened version of the standard Carrera 2, Porsche intended the RS America to fill the void in our market due to our lack of the 964 Carrera RS. It was never intended to be the full RS, but with less weight, sport suspension, and few available options they still provided a nice alternative for the 911 buyer seeking a more no-frills performance coupe. Even better, the RS America was the cheapest 911 available at the time. That fact alone means they could have made a good deal of sense at the time of their release, but on the current market the RS America tends to be a much tougher sell due to the premium attached to them. At least, for anyone other than a collector. For collectors they can make good sense. But, with the exception of the very best examples, the market for them has more or less plateaued after seeing a sharp increase more than a year ago. As some of the more rare air cooled 911s have started to again appreciate we may see the RS America do the same. The example we see here is a Black 1993 Porsche 911 RS America, located in Florida, with 64,976 miles and which came ordered with all four available options.

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1993 Porsche 911 RS America – REVISIT

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We’ve featured this 1993 Porsche 911 RS America a couple of times and it remains the highest mileage example we’ve come across. It has seemingly been for sale forever. Why feature it again? Because in every instance I can recall it has been listed only with a Buy It Now price, at which it failed to sell, and here it FINALLY has been listed as a reserve auction. It’s possible, in fact likely, that the reserve here is similar to its usual BIN price, but the market has made clear that this isn’t an $80K 911. With this reserve auction I hope we can get a sense of where the market values this car. There’s plenty of time remaining and for now bidding sits at $32,655. So, where will bidding end?

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The below post originally appeared on our site July 21, 2015:

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1994 Porsche 911 RS America – REVISIT

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The Midnight Blue 1994 Porsche 911 RS America we featured in early March is back up for sale and again looks to be struggling to garner sufficient attention to meet the seller’s asking price. With one of the rarer color choices available on these cars and pretty reasonable mileage we’ll have to see if this one can finally find the right buyer.

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1993 Porsche 911 RS America

Over the past few weeks I have featured an abundance of ultra-low-mileage collectible 911s and I know the common refrain has been that these are, to a degree, a waste. As beautiful and interesting as these wonderful low-mileage examples are, they are not being used as intended. I feel everyone’s pain on this. Here we have another collectible 911, but this one is far from a pampered garage queen. Rather, this Grand Prix White 1993 Porsche 911 RS America has covered nearly 215,000 miles over the course of its 22 years on the road. The RS America in general has shown really nice increases in value over the past year, but it’s rare to come across one with more than 100K miles let alone twice that. That makes the valuation of this car difficult, but in many cases well-maintained high-mileage 911s still seem to fetch pretty good numbers. In addition, this one is a low-option car, only having 1 of the 4 available options selected upon delivery. That 1 option was A/C.

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