Qualified Quattro: 1985 Audi Quattro 20V

Audi landmark Quattro has finally moved beyond cult status and into the greater automotive consciousness as a desirable model. That creates many problems, though. The first of these problems is that there just aren’t many Quattros out there. Audi only imported 664 examples of the original, meaning you’re statistically a little better than twice as likely to see an E28 M5 cruising around than you are a Quattro.

But in actuality, you aren’t. The chance is probably more akin to three or four times as likely, if not more. That’s because of the second problem – though the Quattro existed as a cult car since new, the fact is that for a long time they were pretty cheap. Pretty cheap cars generally don’t make collector cars, or at the very least receive collector treatment. You can see that in the M5; cheap for a long time, plenty have high miles and are basket cases though from the start they were touted as collectable. But the Quattro? This was a car intended to live in harsh conditions. Oh, and they didn’t apply any undercoating, or even fender liners. Problem three creeps into every seam on the car.

And then there’s an unpleasant truth: in its original U.S. form, the Quattro wasn’t a stellar performer. Toting around 2,900-odd pounds of early 80s tech, the lag-prone engine developed only 160 horsepower. The result was a car that could be caught off-guard by most economy hatches: 0-60 in 7.9 seconds, the quarter mile in 16.1 at 85. Forget the typical Camry or Accord joke; this is the kind of performance you get today from a Hyundai Accent.

Of course, the Quattro wasn’t about straight-line speed, and cars from the 80s all fall short compared to modern technology. This car, then, is more a time-warp to another dimension. A personal expression of devotion to rock-flinging rally monsters and television stars that liked to do things a bit differently. And those that have survived have been loved by their owners. Often, they’ve been upgraded, too, with later parts that solve the performance gap to their original European form. The result? Wow:

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B2 Love: Audi Coupe GT Roundup

My affinity for the Audi Coupe GT goes without saying, and it’s been a bit since I’ve written one up – but a few nice examples floated past my computer screen thanks to the quattroworld B2 forum and I thought they were worth looking at. Below are three distinctly different versions of the same car – one of the early design 84 Coupe GTs with some great modifications, a stock but automatic 86 model and a last-of-the-run 87.5 “Special Build”. Which is the one to grab as these cars continue to appreciate but are still quite affordable?

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1987 Audi 4000CS quattro

We usually try hard to steer clear of nefarious characters, both in automotive products but more often in sellers. Today’s 4000CS quattro comes from a flipper in the Pacific Northwest who has gained a well-deserved reputation in the rather close-knit classic Audi community for misrepresenting, over selling, incorrect information about the cars, high and unrealistic prices and my personal favorite – the inability to take a whole picture of the car with normal perspective. So why am I once again showcasing a car of his? Well, two-fold; I’d like to correct the once again poorly researched information he’s provided (and, he managed to provide TWO whole frame photos!), and it’s just so infrequent that we get to gaze on a reasonable condition 4000CS quattro that I thought it was worth a look. Can we see past the seller to find a potential reasonable ride?

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1985 Audi Coupe GT

To me, the Audi Coupe GT is probably the most unappreciated German car of the 1980s. That crown could really be shared by many Audis that suffered the stigma of poor reputation left over from the 1970s problems and the late 1980s scandals coupled with mid-80s Volkswagen-era build quality, which admittedly wasn’t the best. Although the Audi products were generally engineered to a higher standard than most of their VAG counterparts, the company connection in the public’s mind leaves a scarlet letter on the Audi nameplate. Even though compared to contemporaries the Audi Coupe GT fared well in testing, the general attitude towards the model is that it was an underpowered, overpriced and heavy Scirocco. But those that know the model share the joy of a hidden secret; a fine handling GT, a composed tourer on the highway that is equally at home being flung around twisty backroads, a trusted companion with startling longevity that never failed to bring smiles on a regular basis. If you like the Audi Coupe GT, you probably like doing things a bit differently. And to pay nearly $7,000 for a nice condition one, you’d have to really want it and nothing else – but the chance to stand apart may be worth the price of entry:

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1984 Audi 4000S Quattro

While the Quattro stole all of the headlines for Audi, the reality is that it was an expensive vehicle at the time – very expensive. As a halo car for Audi, the purchase price of the Quattro was around $35,000 in 1983 – more money that most of the competition that was, at least on paper, faster. Remember, a 1983 Porsche 911 coupe would have only set you back around $32,000 at the time. It was, then, the Audi R8 of its day, and like the R8 it had a limited market. Audi’s solution to the problem was to take all of the underpinnings – virtually unchanged – and pop them into the more pedestrian 80 platform. Marked as the 4000S quattro in the U.S., it developed as a legend in its own right, with a carved-from-granite drivetrain that seemed unbreakable and great handling. True, at the best part of 2800 pounds but with only 115 horsepower, it won no drag races, but the versatile small sedan took the Audi fanbase to new levels. It was, in many respects, the Audi S4 of its day. The interior and exterior received substantial upgrades for the 1985 model year, making the first year model a one-year stand that has many fans. They’re rare cars to see today, especially in great condition:

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1987 Audi 4000CS Quattro

The less glamorous version of what was a fantastic chassis and engine combination, the Audi 4000 quattro brought rally-bred performance to the masses. You really could think of it as the original “WRX” because while the big-brother Quattro that stole all of the headlines in its day is currently a reasonably good value compared to some of its contemporaries, when they were new the turbocharged, box-flared brother was simply out of reach of most enthusiasts. Original sticker price of the Quattro put it around the same price as a well-equipped Porsche 911; equivalent today to a base model R8. It was therefore very exciting to see a nearly identical drivetrain layout passed down to the more pedestrian sedan version, complete with a similar-sounding inline-5 and locking differentials. You got all of this in a slick-looking 4-door package for around $20,000 – not cheap, mind you, but half the price of the Quattro. For many fans of the Quattro package, it proved to be legendary in its own right:

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Double Revisit: Early and Late 4000 Quattros – Which would you choose?

Two of the 4000 Quattros I wrote up in December are still on the block. Which of these all-wheel drive wonders would you choose? The first of these cars is a Zermatt Silver 1984 example which needs some love, but is now available at a much more realistic price point – less than half of what the asking price was in December.

The below post originally appeared on our site December 6, 2013:

-Carter

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4WD Week: 1987 Audi Coupe Quattro

There are multitudes of Audis that didn’t come to the U.S. that enthusiasts clamor over, and this car usually isn’t one of them – but, it’s one of the best in my opinion. Combining the fabulous looks of the Coupe GT with the made-from-granite 80 (4000 to you) quattro drive line, the Coupe Quattro offered most of the turbocharged big-brother’s experience without the quite high entry fee of the original Quattro. As a sporty touring coupe, these cars offer plenty of room for 4, a trunk capable of carrying a solid load, reasonable fuel economy and sport. Most of all, though, the B2 cars make you feel much more special than the contemporary Volkswagen products did; they were quality offerings for those in the know. Sure, they weren’t as quick as rival BMW models – until the weather turned! If you’re lucky enough to get to a winter driving school featuring some older Audi products, you’ll generally see them continuing to run circles around most of their competition and descendants – they’re just that good.

While most covet the bigger brother Turbo and the box flares associated with it, the Coupe Quattro was also a rally champion in its own right. Though they’re generally not as sought after outside of the Audi crowd, appreciation for these older Coupe Quattro models is rising and with it the entry price. Today’s example is an all original model in pretty incredible shape, shown in the Zermatt Silver:

Year: 1987
Model: Coupe Quattro
Engine: 2.2 liter inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 279,000 km (173,363 mi)
Price: E. 7,900 ($ 10,834.35 today)

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Vehicle description :
-> DESCRIPTION : Very rare Audi Coupe Quattro Type 85 with G- Kat from the factory. 120 hp 2.2 liter 5 cylinder
-> FEATURES : Permanent all-wheel drive with two selectable locking differentials, tinted glass, sunroof , sport seats, fog lights , sound system , sport package , sport suspension , Electric Side mirrors (heated), leather steering wheel , 14 ” aluminum wheels , summer tires, Non smoking
-> CONDITION: well-preserved rarely encountered condition. Everything absolutely original as from the factory ! No corrosion, no holes, no welds and largely original paint . Even the little protection sticker in front of the wheel wells behind . All moldings, emblems, etc on it. Car is fully running
-> NEW PARTS : unknown , nothing for over 5 years
-> HISTORY : Audi is 2 Hand , orginale 282 tkm down . Full service history until 2004 240tkm
-> MISCELLANEOUS: TUV can be made ​​new. Also new paint , etc. possible. Complete restoration possible. Further Type 85 and parts

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-> Due to the age and the mileage is unfortunately NO WARRANTY POSSIBLE

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More than just a model we didn’t get, the Euro cars had some features which aren’t immediately apparent; for example, late in the run you could get ABS brakes. The post 1986 European market coupes also came with fiberglass trunk lids that were a few pounds lighter than the steel unit. Further, a close look at the front will show directional indicators in the place of the normal U.S. reflectors, and next to them fog lights to match those great dual beam H1/H4 headlights. This particular car is unique with optional extras like electric mirrors, alloys and sunroof but manual windows. Most of the 4000s and GTs came to the U.S. fully loaded with few options available, so it’s interesting to see details like that. Along with interior options that weren’t available in the U.S., little details like this set the European cars apart and make the Coupe and 4000 crowd smile every time they see one. The entry price for these smiles is quite high at just over $10,000 especially considering the higher miles, but as with some of the other 4000 Quattros we’ve featured recently finding them in mint condition is well more than half the battle. For the right person, they may not be scared away from the high pricing – though in all honesty that puts it square into the more desirable Turbo range. If it were a few thousand dollars less – around $6,000 to $7,000, I think it’d be on a few Audi fans’ radar to import to the U.S.

-Carter

1984 Audi 4000S Quattro

While yesterday’s 4000 Quattro Commemorative Edition was a neat look into a rare model, today’s 1984 4000 Quattro is a much more rare version of the same car. There are a few reasons for this; 1984 was a one-year only model for the 4000 Quattro before it received a host of upgrades in the 1985 model year. Early cars feature the original boxy dash, similar to the quattro coupe, as well as a similar “quad” headlight configuration and more boxy bumpers. There weren’t many sold, and few survive today – and when they do, they seem to be mostly Tornado Red. Today’s edition is in fairly rare Zermatt Silver, a color shared with Porsches of the same era. While not as shouty as the red versions, the driving experience is the same and this particular model appears well cared for and ready for some action:

Year: 1984
Model: 4000S Quattro
Engine: 2.2 liter inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 150,000 mi
Price: $5,500 Buy It Now

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1984 4000 quattro.
Excellent example.
Third owner.
First two owners doctors.

I’ve had it since 60k miles and 15 years, odometer broken and mileage is approximate. H&r/bilstien sport suspension, great match that is a decent ride balance and match, never bottoms out, handles great. Synthetic oil in motor and diffs since new. Recent clutch and heater core, clutch has fantastic feel and modulation, best clutch in any car I’ve driven. 20k since head gasket, engine mods including throttle body bore, warm up flap in airbox removed with cold air tube added, high compression with shaved head, turbo cam, pulls well from 4500 to 5600 well with plenty of torque below. Interior as nice as you can find with very low wear on drivers seat. Slightly whiny diff(for 10 years now, mostly in fourth) and needs a cv boot(probably joint too, get a slight imbalance at 85mph when turning one direction but not the other), slight hiss noise on deceleration in first, third, fifth (mostly third) that cuts out when clutch disengaged, not sure if it’s a problem or not, maybe low on fluid but I doubt it. Replaced front passenger fender with used after fender bender long ago and it’s not a perfect match but not bad. A/c worked once and leaked out, think it needs new seals. I forget when w/p and timing belt were done. Doesn’t lock, one lock needs the old lock cylinder because handle replaced (got it somewhere) and I think the other needs to be hooked up to the handle, both easy fixes; one of the interior rear pass door lock pins is out, I have it but not sure how it goes back in. Rear subframe bushing are worn and allow a little movement. On extreme angles and full droop of rear suspension, I think the coils are too short and will make a little noise moving around, worse on drivers side, possibly due to subframe bushings( I think the worst subframe bushing is the driver rear, may be the only one that moves), possible fix is the factory coil pads that I believe got removed when suspension was installed, been like this for years and not a problem but I always wanted to get it fixed. Actually I haven”t been driving it much the last five years but I’ve been driving around all week and the rear suspension noise seems to be getting better, I’m having a hard time getting it to make the sound last couple days. Tires have tread but have sidewall cracking. Diffs don’t engage but should just be a vacuum line, they worked well once and my mechanic said vacuum lines. Rear defrost doesn’t work but probably just a broken defrost line, antenna doesn’t go up. Sunroof won’t open right, rear doesn’t want to go low enough so it wants to scrape the paint. Shifts great, steers great, runs wonderfully, brakes well, does 85 mph straight and smooth down the freeway. Actually a very tight car with no rattles and tight suspension. Actually has power in mid/upper range unlike stock. Craptastic exhaust because I went to crappy shop down the street, 2.5″ pipe and magnaflow(not sure, can’t remember)muffler, sounds great and works well enough, not too loud. Probably needs new rear rotors. Leaky oil pan gasket. Hit black ice once and went off road, just tore up lower radiator mount (pic below) but it’s not a problem, radiator doesn’t move around. Low rust. Registered, just past Utah emissions and safety inspection. Extremely fun to drive and not slow, not fast but fun because it’s geared right. Pic below of spare parts, aluminum trim for the area between grill and bumper, not shown is a fwd 4000 front antiroll bar that can be fabricated into a rear for this car that it really could benefit from. One year of this body with quattro and bound to be collectible. Supposedly 150lbs less than the models that followed with better gearing AFAIK. I’ve owned 15+ german cars that were almost all faster and handled as well or better but this was the one that stuck with me, it’s just a great car. Not being used enough, wish I could keep it.
Low Reserve.
Have fun

There are a few things wrong with this car; most obvious is the need for paint on the front valance, but otherwise it’s wearing the wrong centercaps (a fairly easy fix if you can find them) and there’s some surface rust starting to creep through, as well as missing the all important rings and quattro badges. As these cars weren’t galvanized, you’ll want to get that paint issue sorted quite quickly as rust spreads through these cars like wildfire once it’s going. There are some suspension and mechanical needs if you want it 100% sorted. Mileage is on the lower side and overall condition – especially of the interior – appears quite good. Because of the rarity of the early cars, they tend to command a premium as there is a specific market that looks for them, and I think overall this car is priced slightly high but within reason given the market. Were I to get it, after fixing the paint I’d be quick to source some stellar looking Euro bumpers and optional 15″ Ronals – that’s about it. There are some tasteful upgrades to the car mechanically that make it all the more appealing. It is indeed a rare collector opportunity for someone who really prefers the earlier and original design of the Quattros.

-Carter