Double Take: 1986 and 1987 Audi 4000CS Quattros

If yesterday’s lower-mile but high price 4000CS Quattro got you excited to see an older Audi quattro model, today’s double take should take you to the next level! It’s pretty rare to find 4000 Quattros in a good state these days, and Paul’s example was one of the best that’s popped up in a while it was really priced well outside of the market for these cars. Today, though, we have two pretty good examples of 4000CS Quattros that can be had with a reasonable budget – one Tornado Red like yesterday’s example and the other in the quite rare shade of Oceanic Blue Metallic. Let’s start with the Tornado Red 87:

Year: 1987
Model: 4000CS Quattro
Engine: 2.2 liter inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 190,000 mi
Price: $3,500

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1987 Audi 4000CS Quattro on Craigslist

87 4000 Quattro, 190,000

Tornado Red
Heated Quattro Script seats. Both work, no rips or tears.
Trip computer

Work done in fall 2012
Full engine tune up Plugs, cap, rotor, wires, air and fuel filters, all Bosch
New pads and rotors front and rear
15×7 Motegi Track Lite 2 forged wheels with new Hancook Ventus V2 Concept tires 205 50 15
New Trunk struts
Replaced door handle gaskets
New windshield
New battery
New expansion tank

Spring 2013
New Ansa rear muffler assembly
Headlights relayed
Fuel pump relayed
Transmission oil changed with Audi fluid
Rear diff oil changed
Sunroof seal replaced, frame cleaned and lubed, sunroof tilts and slides
Front door outer window seals/scrapers replaced with new clips all from Audi Tradition.

Summer 2013
Transmission mounts replaced
Coupe Quattro red H&R springs
Ur-q OE strut mounts on all 4 corners
Bilstien Sport rear struts
Sachs Advantage front struts
Front and rear ball joints replaced
Right front CV axle rebuilt
Both rear wheel bearings and left front wheel bearing replaced
Front tie rod assemblies replaced
Roof, drivers door, lower rocker panels and trim painted. Roof due to clear coat peel, drivers door was keyed at some point, and the lower rocker trim was faded.

I’ve driven the car on 2 separate 1800 mile road trips with zero issues. The diff locks work, the cruise works, the AC worked up until July I think the service valves are leaking. The only things it really needs are rear diff mounts.

I am in Denver, CO

This car looks nearly as perfect as yesterday’s car but at only a quarter of the price. Major mechanical service has been completed and it’s all of the things that you’d want changed over on one of these older cars. The suspension has been upgraded to later and stiffer Coupe Quattro items giving the car a better ride in the twisties while not being incredibly low. This car also features the popular “Quattro script” heated cloth interior and all of the trim looks in good shape – including those front reflectors and grills, a typically gone or destroyed item on 4000s. There are some light modifications including some rally inspired super light white Motegi wheels, light window tint and the OEM badges have been replaced by some Ur-quattro inspired stickers – really, nothing that isn’t reversible if you don’t like it. Mileage is pretty much par for the course on these well loved quattros at 190,000, but anyone that has owned one – I have – will tell you they wear like granite, especially if well maintained like this. Looking for a bit more of a project in a rare color? How about this rare to see Oceanic Blue Metallic model?

Oceanic Blue Metallic is a color near and dear to me, as I owned two Coupe GTs in this shade. My cousin also learned to drive on a model just about identical to this and it was the first 4-wheel burnout I’ve ever seen – who says 4000s are underpowered?!?! It’s a neat color that is rare to find. Unfortunately, this particular car has been resprayed about 10 years ago and to me it doesn’t look like they got the mix just right – but it is pretty close. It’s odd that they had the car resprayed but didn’t paint the spoiler as it should have been. The original wheels are there but look a bit tired, though the seller claims newer tires.

Year: 1986
Model: 4000CS Quattro
Engine: 2.2 liter inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 220,000 mi
Price: $2,700 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1986 Audi 4000CS Quattro on eBay

1986 Audi 4000 S Quattro. The Ultimate snow car. Drives great and tight. Clutch good. Brakes good. New struts.

Instrument cluster replace with 220k.

No rust. Painted by Earl Scheib ’03. Paint OK. Medium sized dents in LF fender/ door. Smaller dent RR door. Glass all around good. Windshield in excellent condition. Some water spots on glass. Sunroof needs some attention. Will vent. Rear spoiler OK. All lenses good for an ’86. Front reflectors and blinkers perfect. Drivers headlight cracked. Have a replacement set of headlights. All trim there. Door trim typical for the age. All SS trim in good shape.

Interior OK. Heated front seats work. Drivers seat has bolster wear. Rear seats good, but welting is coming out. Dash cracked. Door panels excellent. Both front doors have pockets in place. Power windows work. D.Rear window operates only at door.

Solid car! Newer tires! Drives as a 4000 should. Excellent car for a restoration. Or drive as is.

Please ask questions as needed!

Car located in South Lake Tahoe, CA and for sale locally. May be sold prior to Auction end.

This car is definitely in need of some love and attention if you want a nice driver, but overall it’s in pretty decent shape. Rust-free is key as a starting platform, and while there is a fair amount of wear present it doesn’t look like anything that couldn’t be overcome with some attention and the assistance of the active community that supports these cars. This car is priced pretty appropriately at the lower end of the market on 4000CS Quattros.

Were it my money, the Tornado Red car is the one to get. For a few hundred dollars more than the Oceanic model you couldn’t replicate the amount of work and condition difference between the two. As Paul said in his post, though the Ur-Quattro gets most of the attention from this time period, the 4000 gives you most of the thrills on a much better budget. These are two great examples of just that; well priced, solid platforms of cars that you could drive and enjoy for years to come and a great alternative to the rapidly-appreciating E30!

-Carter

One of a Kind 1976 VW Rabbit VR5 Swap

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As far as powerplants go, VW has been experimenting throughout the years looking for the perfect mix of economy, and power, and in many cases has been successful. However in some cases, they mostly succeeded in creating an oddity…enter the VR5. The VR5 had a pretty healthy run in the Passat, Bora, and some Skoda models outside of the US market as an alternative the staple 1.8T.  But what is it really? Well, because of the very narrow angle of the “V” it can’t be considered a true V5 engine, as all cylinders share the same bank. The V5 is more closely aligned with Volkswagen’s legendary VR6, minus one cylinder, so technically is’s staggered 5, and has more in common with the inline-5s used in the Passat and Audi Quattros of the ’80s.

No matter how you classify it, it’s a pretty stout powerplant that sounds like a cross between an audi quattro, and a Corrado SLC. Producing 170 bhp this 20v version of the V5 engine would make a big heavy Passat, or MK4 Bora jump off the line,  swap it in to a light MK1 chassis, and now you have something a bit ridiculous. That is exactly what the seller of this Oceanic Blue Swallowtail Rabbit did, employing the age old hot rodders recipe (big engine in little car) creating something the world has never seen before, and likely won’t for a long time.

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Year: 1976
Model: Rabbit
Engine: 2.3 VR5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 132,800 mi
Price: $8,000

CLICK FOR DETAILS: One of a Kind 4 Door Oceanic Blue 20V VR5 Swallowtail on VW Vortex

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I have an addiction to locating and building classic custom cars and trucks and it always seems I have about 30 potential project cars in mind at a time… but space and money aren’t there unfortunately.. I’d like to start the process of sourcing my next big project and I need the cash from this to invest in the base vehicle. I am NOT in the need to sell this in a fire sale fashion and I will ONLY sell it to a buyer that I feel will appreciate the car for what it is and take care of it.

For anyone that is unsure. The FULL build thread from start to finish can be seen here: http://forums.vwvortex.com/showthrea…n-blue-swallow.

Here’s a quick rundown of everything done to it. I’ll keep adding to the list as I think of things.. I forget half the work I put into these cars and it takes me driving them and thinking about it to remember.

1976 Ocean Bleu Swallowtail 4 door.
Hi option model with kneebar, all chrome exterior trim and passive restraint belts
Original Paint with some minor rust in exterior panels only (this is only visual stuff that isn’t structural)

Mechanical :

Worlds only running AND driving (one car just was started with one a couple weeks ago) V5 Mk1 and the only 20V V5 engine in the US (at least in a car)
Running the OEM Mk4 V5 wiring/injection with a sport tune by C2 Motorsports
Mk4 OEM Drive By Wire Throttle integrated into the OEM pedal cluster
VR6 Transmission rebuilt with a shorter 4 cylinder R&P
Clutch Cable Conversion using a mix of OEM parts and a custom cable mount on the transmission
BFI motor mounts in modified Eurowise VR6 engine mounts with a delrin rear trans mount and Eurowise axles
A/C, P/S, SAI, and all emissions stuff deleted
custom V5 header made from an OEM V5 manifold to a custom straight through2.25 exhaust system with a borla SS muffler.
custom 3″ core aluminum dual pass radiator
Custom aluminum intake tube with flipped C2 Motorsports aluminum MAF tube running into an OEM Mk1 Turbo Diesel intake box with K&N filter with drilled airbox
Original swallowtail diagnostic box has been converted to allow you to plug a flying lead in and scan the vehicle with VAG-COM
All new fuel lines, fuel tank, fuel pump, etc
new V5 specific parts: intake manifold and valve cover gaskets, crack pipe, thermo housing, water pump, exhaust manifold gasket, etc.

Exterior/Body:
All original clear glass with NEW front windshield seal, and new chrome trim all around.
New thin chrome side trim
OEM Australian “Euro” small chrome bumpers
OEM early Post Golf Taillights
Chrome OEM Wiper arms
OEM front small duckbill
NEW full Klokkerholm floor pans and support rails welded in
Passenger frame rail notched and blended for OEM appearance
Early Chrome trim US spec Sidemarkers on all 4 corners

Suspension/Brakes:
ALL NEW Copper/Nickel Brake lines (will outlast the life of the car)
new master cylinder
Converted to 9.4 vented GTI front brakes (new calipers and hoses)
new rear drums, shows, wheel cylinders and flex lines
new control arms with poly bushings
new rear beam bushings
new wheel bearings on all 4 corners
new ball joints and tie rods and tie rod boots (converted to later 19mm ball joints)
Early rebuildable front strut mounts with Audi 90 rubber mounts inside
Cheap-o front coilovers with UVAIR sleeve bags
custom rear airlift air struts
paddle valve air setup with controls in kneebar
new Viaiar Compresor and 3 gallon tank hidden in spare tire well
Air hose attachment for filling tires and running air tools attached to tank
Custom 2-piece 16″ OEM Porsche Fuchs 16×6 made to fit BBS Motorsport outer lips for customization with 20mm Raceland adapters
eurospec 165/40/16 Tires with one summer of driving on them

Interior:
Rare Orange-Brown Interior with very nice diagonal stripe swallowtail door cards
Really nice original interior I sourced 2.5 full interiors to make this one nice one
NEW stockinteriors.com carpet in matching orange/brown color
golf ball shift knob
early eurospec super base model bakelite style swallowtail steering wheel (hard plastic real thin grip)
very nice (dare i say mint?) headliner
NOS base model swallowtail rear hatch prop rod (non hydraulic)
dash has some minor cracking but is in decent shape for its age
OEM silver gauge bezel with original (WORKING!) radio and dash speaker
Floor pans have been undercoated, seam sealed, and thermocoustic sound deadener pads put down under the carpet.
Heat and blower motor still work mint in the car!

Negatives/Things to mention:

The car was stored a good part of its life indoors when abandoned.. but it does have some rust in panels around the car. I have fixed ALL structural damage or rot on the car. Overall it is really solid since it was a car that was treated with a Rusty Jones type treatment for some of its life.

The drivers fender and A-Pillar have some small holes in them in the usual spot. I cleaned and rust proofed the windshield frame when I had the windshield to replace the seal a month ago the bottom of the drivers fender has a bit of rust.

The passenger fender at the bottom has rust where it bolts to the core support
Car is a true survivor and has dings and scrapes and minor dents around the car. View all pics in my build thread you can see every inch of it there.
I never got around to sourcing a Passat/Corrado g60 speedo cable to make the speedo work.. i just use my gps in my phone…
Recently I realized that the fuel level sender has cracked and isn’t sealing fumes from the tank out properly. A definite gas smell when you first drive the car.. I can fix before selling.. I drive the car A LOT so I may do it out of annoyance any day now…
rear window seal is original and cracked/split. It leaks into the trunk on heavy rains, but i keep it under a car cover most times.. just haven’t gotten around to it.. again I may do that soon if I get time..

I’m sure there are a lot more things I’ll add over the next days.. but I need to jog my memory (or just read the build thread). This car is VERY SPECIAL to me and it hurts me to think of selling it..

I’ll start the pricing as it sits with all mods and rare parts at: $8,000 OBO
If you begin to add up the basics of this car.. you’ll see that this price is definitely worth it.. figure a decent stock running/driving swallowtail with all the rare bits is worth 4-6K, the rare engine swap just to buy it and get it into the country would cost $2-4k
The wheels/tires- $2k+, all of the rare parts and new replacement parts, etc- $2k.. you get the idea. I’ll accept reasonable offers and I’ll consider working with someone by removing certain parts to get the price where they need.. but I won’t go crazy.

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Having followed this build from the start, I can say that I’m sad to see the car go. I know the heart and soul it takes to build a car like this, from conception, to sourcing the parts, and all of the nights and weekends spent making it a reality, this is something you don’t do for the money. With all of those things considered, I’m surprised at the asking price. A swallowtail MK1 alone is a pretty rare and sought after car, throw in the rare parts and mods, and this car could fetch $8,000 with the stock engine. Now we’re adding in an uncommon engine and all of the engineering time and money to make it work, that bumps up the value significantly. All in, I’d consider this to be a $10,000 car all day long, making this a virtual bargain for the MK1 enthusiast that wants something no one else has.

-Brian