Killer deal on a clean 1986 Cossy 190E

We’re familiar enough with the Mercedes-Benz AMG 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth, a car who predated the current fancy-car trend of verbose hyphenated names by 25 years.  Overshadowed by BMW’s E30 M3 response 2 years later, it’s still a hot piece of 80s German race machinery.  What really struck me about this ad is the offer from the seller to take it to a mechanic and knock the cost of whatever mechanical repairs are needed off the price.  Essentially a guarantee that you’ll get a 2.3-16 in great running shape for the advertised $5800, a low price to start with.

1986 Mercedes-Benz AMG 190E 2.3-16 Cosworth for sale on Craigslist SF

Seller’s description:

1986 Cosworth Mercedes 2.3-16 valve. 134 k mi, one of the 1800 legally imported in1986-87, second owner, no rust or accidents, good condition, new head gasket, fuel pump, timing chain, clutch, exhaust including preconverters. Getrag 5 speed manual. A lot of assorted new parts. Runs well. Rear shocks new, but not OEM. Ambient air gauge and cruise control don’t work. $5800 or BO. We can take the car to the dealer for inspection, any cost of mechanical repairs (if needed) I will gladly subtract from asking price.

There aren’t a ton of pictures to get an idea of the overall superficial condition, but with the list of recent maintenance and mechanical guarantee, I see this as a pretty mind-blowing deal as Cosworth’s regularly go for $10-15k.  It’s not as sexy as an Evo and doesn’t stray to far from a standard 190E, but that’s ok with me with the racing pedigree and money that will be left over for upgrades should you choose to go that route.  If anyone out there is actually in the market for one of these, I’d highly recommend contacting this seller.

-NR

1986 Volkswagen Scirocco 16V with 47k miles

The VW Scirocco never quite took off as much as the GTI did on US shores, but here’s a clean ’86 example that seems as if it was well loved. This 16V version represents the end of the line for the VW sports hatch, as 1988 was the last year it was offered stateside.

The seller states:

Up for auction is a 1986 (1987 Production year) VW Scirocco with 46000 original miles. The car is very clean there is not a spot of rust anywhere on the body of the car. The interior is in excellent condition there is no tears or cracks in any of the seats. The tires, timing belt, plugs, cap and rotor,battery,and coolant are new. I bought the car from the original ower who bought it new. He had a issue with the engine at 45000 miles and the car was parked for a long time. At some point in time he let his kid armed with a shop manual try to fix it… When I bought the car the head was pulled off. The owner told me he thought there was something wrong with the head?? I didn’t want to deal with it so I bought a used motor with 68000 miles on it. Which is in the car now. The engine starts, idles, and runs like new. The original motor with 45000 miles on it is included in the auction. It’s the perfect scenario.. Build the engine of your dreams with the original motor and drive the car in the meantime! I installed a stereo system with a high end alpine head unit, alpine speakers and a boston acoustic sub. It sounds amazing! The only issues that I know of are The passenger power window, AC, and aftermarket cruise control don’t work. I’ve only put about 1000 miles on the car since I put the motor in. The car is quick and a blast to drive. It also gets great gas mileage. I love the car, but I’m buying a porsche 928 and I only have room in the garage for one toy so the rocco must go.
-Also in the pics the dark areas on the front seats are not stains its just the grain of the fabric.
-Car has never seen snow.. I won’t even drive it in the rain..
-Extra fuel lines, injectors, alternator, starter, and AC compressor come with original motor.

With no reserve on the auction, it should be interesting to see what a low mileage 16V is worth these days. Even with an engine replacement, this seems like a pretty honest and original example.

-Paul

1986 Alpina B9 3.5 Coupe for sale

What happens when you take a BMW tuner that turns all BMWs into shark-nosed road monsters and unleash it upon the sharkiest of all BMWs?

Ubershark.

Obviously based on the E24, Alpina applies their usual chunky front and rear spoilers, tron-graphics, and infinitely-spoked wheels to create the B9 3.5 Coupe.  A subtle but vast improvement on the NA 635CSi is the Euro bumpers.  All this combines for one mean looking package with some beef behind it, as the Alpina came with an improved 3.5L I6 pushing out 245hp, a healthy boost over the 635’s 215hp.  That power is nice, but really, you’re buying this car for the looks.  This example is in North Wales, GB and is far from perfect, but it’s only covered 56k miles and could be made great.

There are some things wrong with this car.  Some cracks here and there, notably the front splitter and the dash.  It’s in Wales, and though they offer a shipping option, you will may run into some federalization issues.  The biggest turn off for me about this car though is the chunky automatic gear selector in the middle.

Acknowledging those shortcomings, there’s a lot of awesomeness going on here, almost entirely in the looks department.  Holy cow.  Those lines, the spoilers, and the wheels that really tie the room together.  Notice how when the center caps are gone, it’s a totally different look?  Yeah, those wheels are the hotness.  Anyways.  It’s been posted before and it’s stuck at $4k on eBay now, so something in the “cons” section is keeping people away.  For me, it’s worth a chunk of money just to look at.

-NR

Aaron also came across this car and adds these thoughts.

1985 BMW 6-Series Alpina B9 for Sale
May 19, 2010 by Aaron

If you did not see my rant last week, I was going on and on (and on) about the rarity of real Alpina’s in the states. As if on cue a company by the name of Performance Legends in North Wales has listed three Alpina’s on eBay. All three of which look to be in good to excellent condition. Alpina’s are far more common in the UK, so the seller’s notion to offer these up to buyers in the states is a stroke of genius. Here is an example:

1985 BMW 6-Series Alpina B9 for Sale:

From the seller’s ad –

“Welcome to this listing for a very rare Alpina B9 3.5 Coupe that we recently imported from Japan. We are experienced importers and exporters of specialist performance cars and we can offer shipping of this car from the UK to the US East Coast for $2000. We would like you to be totally comfortable buying from us so if you would like more photos of the car or any particular areas of the car, please let us know and we will get them for you. The Alpina VIN is WAPB935C05B910557 and we have verified that the engine and head numbers are original and matching with the Alpina factory records. The car is number B9-557 according to the Alpina plaque on the centre console and was built in Buchloe in July 1985.

We can supply the car with either its original 16″ alloy wheels or the 17″ wheels also shown. If you would like both sets there will be an additional cost. This B9 is in good condition especially considering that it is nearly 25 years old, with both sound bodywork and mechanicals. The car is fully UK registered with all paperwork and all import taxes paid already. There is some minor cosmetic work required to make this car perfect, but nothing major and most importantly there is no rot in the bodywork.

In our opinion the mileage of the car is original, and it has never been accident damaged although we can not guarantee either of these things due to its age. The engine, gearbox and other mechanical parts are in excellent condition and we have just completed a full fluid service including spark plugs and filters. The interior is also in excellent condition with only a couple of minor faults. This Alpina drives very well indeed and I was very pleasantly surprised how nice it is when I recently completed 100 mile trip in it. Everything seems to work ok including the electrics etc. We are having a stock clear-out and as such we will listen to any sensible offers, however as it is a really nice car and deserves to go to a good home, we will not be giving it away.”

I chose the B9 as it is my favorite Alpina, while this one is not perfect it is a knockout as it sits. It is rare to find a seller so willing to export to the states, a starting bid of less than $13k and another $2k for shipping does not seem unreasonable. It would also take some cash to federalize this B9, however, the older these cars get the easier they are the federalize. There are several boutique dealers on the West Coast that will work with the seller to import the car and handle the necessary paperwork and needed changes to make the car US road ready.

If you did not see my rant last week, I was going on and on (and on) about the rarity of real Alpina’s in the states. As if on cue a company by the name of Performance Legends in North Wales has listed three Alpina’s on eBay. All three of which look to be in good to excellent condition. Alpina’s are far more common in the UK, so the seller’s notion to offer these up to buyers in the states is a stroke of genuis. Here is an example:
Is it worth it? Would it be easier to import one of these cars from Toronto which has become the Alpina capitol of North America? I have the feeling that Alpina fans are going to kick themleves in 20 years when they are even more scarce than they are now. What say you? Any Alpina owners out there who care to comment on these cars?

~Aaron.

1986 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 with 63,000 miles

Clean, low mileage Mercedes 190E sedans are getting harder to find these days. Even more rare are well looked after examples of the hot version, the 190E 2.3-16 with an engine developed jointly with Cosworth and an available 5 speed manual transmission with dog leg first gear. Before AMG became the in-house tuning arm of Mercedes-Benz, there were several performance sedans to emerge from the manufacturer, most notably the W109 300SEL 6.3, W116 450SEL 6.9 and the legendary Porsche assembled W124 500E/E500. The 190E 2.3-16 and 2.5-16 were part of this high performance history.

This is the holy grail of 190E 2.3-16V cars; all original paint and body panels, no accidents or paintwork EVER. Only 63K documented original miles. Fantastic original cosmetic condition inside and out. Flawless mechanically with everything working including the VDO computer. A 5-speed manual with a smooth and perfect clutch and transmission. She runs strong, looks great, and is in SUCH great shape cosmetically and mechanically; this car needs NOTHING but a new owner.

The 190E 2.3-16 has begun to garner recognition amongst collectors and values have crept up as of late. Still, no matter how clean, $17,900 seems optimistic, given that mint C43 AMG models with a V8 can be had for similar, if not less money. True, the C43 is a different animal, but when NADA is listing a high retail shy of $12,000 for this car, one would think this kind of vehicle would maybe pull $14-15k max. Still, there is no denying that this is an exceptional example of an important piece of Mercedes-Benz history.

-Paul

3 Porsche 911RS Hotties For Sale: 1 Real One and 2 Clones

Since the real deal is well out of my range (real or imaginary), I have to wonder if these two clones measure up 80-90% of the way for a fraction of the price. I guess it comes down to your nature: investor or enthusiast, because an investor wouldn’t drive the real thing as hard or as often as it should be. As it was intended.

The real deal: 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS Coupe Touring Coupe on eBayMotors being offered by Ooely and Blackburn of Indianapolis:

quote from Ooely & Blackburn eBayMotors listing:

This 1973 Porsche 911 Carrera RS coupe is finished in correct code#114 signal yellow with black vinyl and cloth interior. It is an all numbers matching proper older restoration. We have carefully inspected this gorgeous RS and have found it to be a fabulous correct example. The chassis number is 9113600631, the engine number is 6630645 , the transmission number is 7830637 and the paint code number is 114 (525212) signal yellow. It is one of just 87 Carrera RS cars to be produced in this color by the factory. This rare Porsche must be considered one of the most correct and original numbers matching cars in the country. The car was produced in February of 1973 and immediately shipped to its original owner in Luxemburg.

And on to the clones. The first is this lovingly prepared 72 Targa on eBayMotors:

quote from seller’s eBayMotor’s listing:

The key with building a good RS is to start with a great car. This car was originally sold new in Southern California which means that it has lived a rust-free life.

This car went through an extensive 2-year restoration and it shows. It is a stunning example and extremely well built. It was taken down to the bare metal and painted its original color in acrylic enamel with hardner. It then went through countless hours of hand color sanding and buffing to bring out its shine. The paint looks great. There are a few rock chips here and there from use, but that’s about it.

And then there’s this 1986 Carrera with backdated bodywork to provide a modern configuration that looks vintage and appropriate:

quote from seller’s eBayMotors listing:

I am selling this amazing RS recreation based on a mint 1987 Carrera. (galvanized shell) 950 trans. Grand Prix Bright white fresh paint with mat black decals. This is a specialty car and very tastefully done, you won’t find one like this anywhere! Lots of time and dedication went into building this vehicle.

Stock 3.2 ltr motor (no leaks) Car and motor have 48k miles, Air condition and sunroof were taken out to lighten the car, full new RS interior, suede dash, WEVO shifter, LSD, 17×8 17×9 inch Lindsey Racing wheels, Bridgestone Potenza RE-01R tires, Reccaro SRD seats, Car Graphic pedal set, Brey Krause harness bar and tower bar, Nardi suede classic steering wheel, Willans harness, Upgraded Brembo big brakes and rotors, Turbo tie rods, SSI heat exchangers, polished Dansk exhaust, carbon fiber fenders, bumpers, duct tail (MAshaw)

Everything on this car and listed is brand new from all new seals, trim, lights, screws etc.. Fully tuned, very tight. Very light and fast!

So if it’s not obvious by now, I think the real thing is way overpriced. A true 911 enthusiast would want a car that could be driven and experienced. While a collector that could afford the real 911RS would argue otherwise, I’d challenge the buyer to hit a dozen track days a year and drive the car as intended to prove their allegiance!

dc