This 2002 is being sold by someone who appears to be new to eBay, it looks legit, but as with any low feedback sellers be wary.
The description is good about what has been done to the car, but is lacking in information about race history, which is crucial when selling a racer. We really need to know what series the car was campaigned in, if any, SCCA, SVRA, HSR, etc. How many hours/races are on the motor? Giving previous lap times at tracks also can be good to include when selling a race car.
The seller mentions that the sale includes a “vintage SCCA log book”, but it isn’t clear if this is just any old log book or if it shows history that this car was raced when young. Looking it over it does not appear that this car was raced years ago, but instead converted much more recently. A car with genuine vintage race history will bring a higher price and also be welcomed at more vintage racing events.
A new owner wanting to campaign this should really talk to the current owner and check the rulebook for any potential race organization they plan to race under. The preparation on this car definitely looks like a weekend wrencher so it is possible it was just taken out for rental track days. This might mean it will need a number of mods to qualify for a group like SVRA. A potential buyer could also see if the current owner has any spares stashed away that could be negotiated into the purchase.
The body does look solid and this could be pretty fun to zip around in off the track too.
From the seller, here is a description and a list of modifications:
Suspension *Carerra Coil Overs Front with extra springs*Bilstein Shocks*Race Springs*Super Oversize Sway Bars*Rear Adjustable Oversize Sway Bars
*Adjustable Camber Plates Front ENGINE *300 Degree Alpina Euro Cam *10 to 1 Dome Top Pistone *Bored 20 or 40 over *Modified Baffled Oil Pan *32/36 Weber Carb *Modified Jets in Carb *Polished Intake *Headers *HOT Coil (Top End Performance) *Carter Hi Volume Fuel Pump (Top End Performance) *Pertronix Ignition *Electric Radiator Fan *Special “Tropical” Radiator (La Jolla Independent) *Light weight fly wheel *New Crank Bearings DRIVETRAIN * 5 Speed 275 Gertrag (320i transmission) *Shortened and Balanced Drive shaft *410 Locked Rear End INTERIOR * Reccaro Seats *Performance Steering Wheel *5 Point harness *Roll Bar welded and bolted *Roll Bar tied to the rear shock towers (Stiffens rear suspension) *Large Dead pedal *Gauges / Toggles / Push button start *Stripped rear and no carpet EXTERIOR *Nice Race white paint *NO RUST interior or exterior *Vintage Wheels 2 sets *Race slicks Hankook *European Front Marker Lights (flush for better aerodynamics) *New BMW logo’s *On Off Battery Switch OTHER *Battery in trunk *Stainless Steel Brake Lines *Headlight Housings available *Vintage SCCA LOG BOOK *Front Spoiler with brake duct vents *INCLUDED IN SALE IS THE Tii FUEL INJECTION *NOT INCLUDED IN SALE but available is a tandem wheel trailer with electric brakes
The ex-Bill Auberlen, Joey Hand, Boris Said, Will Turner, Turner Motorsports car is from the Grand Am Cup/Koni Challenge and was purpose built from the ground up. The ad has videos of the car on track and an extensive list of the vehicle’s preparation.
The 3.2 liter engine pushing “around” 400 horsepower has 6 hours on it. The six speed manual has 15 hours on the clock.
The seller says the car has $50,000 worth of engineering time put into the suspension setup.
This car is a lot of money, there are far cheaper ways to get into racing, but it is pretty nice to jump into a car that you know has already been well setup and comes with track notes. It sure looks like a fun car.
The car has traveled the country to race, I noted the unmistakable image of the Watkins Glen race track taped to the steering wheel in one of the pictures.
Newcomer to eBay, but not to the business, Club Carrera Motors has an entire fleet of Porsche vintage racers now available for you on eBay.
A couple racers, including a 56 speedster that raced from day 1, some build up race cars, and a few street cars. They look good and have plenty of pictures and info in their listings. Prices are a bit high. If you want to have an instant race team for SCCA, SVRA, HSR, etc., I bet you could get yourself a deal if you bought them all.
From high to low price wise:
Now just pick up to take them with you to the track. Hey it is Mercedes powered so it is German.
Who out there is brave? If taking risks on vehicles is your sort of thing, how about pulling this 1974 911 racer from the weeds in Japan? Seller says the car used to sport a 3.2 liter, but now has a new 3.6 liter engine. It is clearly race setup, but also seems to need a thorough going over. The lack of description, shady pictures, some dated 2005, and fact the car is in Japan makes the $27,500 ask price way out there. (Even considering the current exchange rate) The seller does have lots of high res photos here and here. Who’s feeling daring?
Just a quick post to show some of the Porsches I encountered for sale while attending the Vintage Grand Prix at Waktins Glen International race track this past weekend. The seller’s numbers are listed in the pictures.
The weekend also had an auto auction that saw several Mercedes and Porsche vehicles sell at pretty cheap prices.
Not really our typical bag on this blog, but what the heck.
Buy this bad boy that needs some work now, sort it out over the winter, and you’ll be all set for next year’s vintage racing season. Or turn it into one hell of a street car, although I doubt unleashing close to 1000 horsepower through a race gearbox and suspension will result in something that could genuinely be called streetable.
It is up at $175,000, reserve not met, and it comes with a spare engine. Get yourself a piece of racing history, and then find a pit crew.
The seller’s description:
Driven by John Andretti, Davy Jones and David Hobbs This car only has two races on it therefore the chassis is perfect and not worn out. This was the test “mule” car that did much of the development work for the BMW program. This car has a new/fresh 2.1 liter turbo engine (over 900hp) and a fresh spare in one of the factory crates. Enough hard parts to rebuild at least two additional motors, MANY, many spares. This is a project that is un-assembled and is missing the two doors and part of the gearbox housing. Body needs fitting and paint. Unbelievable value for a GTP works car that represented the BMW factory.
I see a good deal of 928s for sale, there are two reasons for this. One, Porsche made them for nearly two decades and two, because I look for Audi S4s so every time I search for S4 I come across Audis and Porsches. Because there are so many in the market picking one up is not very hard. $10k will get you a plenty nice one. Just remember that, while they looked fairly similar over that long run, the options changed over the years. Flavors of engines included 4.5, 4.7, 5.0, and 5.4, liter V8s.
Transmissions could be had in 3 and 4 speed auto or 5 speed manual.
A early 80s twenty thousand dollar 928 would normally have even fewer miles on it then the 46,000 on this machine. This one has reason to be an exception. It appears to have a super clean body kit, custom interior work, and performance engine tuning including cams and headers. Not to mention the seller says he’ll throw in $15,000 worth of extra goodies like a GPS nav, to tune up, detailing and more. Seems reasonable to me.
If 46,000 miles is a bit too high for you why not make an offer on this 1,484 mile 1978. Offered at $35,000 (reserve not met), this can only be for a collector. Great interior and even has the original window sticker. Knowing that every time you drove the car you’d be decreasing its value is tough. Just keeping the car garage bound when this 911 beater should be out roaming the back country is sad. As the slogan, picked up from another car club, goes, Garages Kill. Letting a car sit is not good for it and once parts start to deteriorate and have to be replaced you’ve lost the originality and not been able to enjoy driving the car, lose-lose. On the other hand it is nice to be able to show such an original vehicle.
Finally just to mix it up a bit this is the car that Hurley Hawyood used during the run to the Trans-Am Championship. The early Audi Quattro racers were pretty much bad ass in every form of racing they entered, hill climb, rally, trans am, etc. This one comes several years after the monster 600 horse power Group B Quattro S1, but clearly shares the blood lines and technology. The unique turbo charged inline 5 in this vehicle likely isn’t as powerful as the Group B car, but should certainly be bumping out over 500 ponies at full boost. The price is on request, probably somewhere north of a few dozen well used A4s. This would make a great SVRA or SCCA entry. For now it sits as a show piece at a casino.
I wasn’t able to confirm this from the dealer, but someone tells me this car may have just sold after being for sale for over a year at $450,000.
It was brought to our attention by a reader that the yellow widebody Porsche listed below has some discrepancies with VIN #s and seller legitimacy. If you see this Porsche listed proceed with care.
There is something about a 930 Porsche that just feels right. Nice proportions, fine performance, and fewer/simpler electronic gizmos than more modern 911s. They have that great Porsche sound. Really a work horse and driver’s car for the 80s Porsche enthusiast. I put 930 Porsche’s in that category of car that offers a pure driving experience in a package that begs to get out on the road rain or shine. Not quite the same as the new GT3 your neighbor owns that will never see its true potential as it only gets out of the garage on the trip to the golf course and even then only on cloudless days.
Prices seem very solid and stable for good 930s. This shows positively on how collectors view these models. $15k should get you an almost daily driver worthy Porsche, that you can enjoy most of the year (year round down south), and that you could probably sell in a few years for what you paid. The $25k ask for this Gemballa in need of work seems a bit high, particularly when for a tick over $20k and a Strosek bodied 1986 sold at $20k.
eBay is notorious for making it hard to sell damaged cars for decent prices. An auction format is supposed to show true market value, but I rarely see auctions for damaged cars like this, that have a seller’s reserve actually complete successfully. On the other hand someone else is out there asking .
Along the lines of the Flachbau or slantnose, you have to admire a car company that offered the option to the customer to completely alter the appearance of their car straight from the factory. This one with a widebody kit is bid up to $15k and it sure is wide. I hope the spindles are strong enough to take such a wide stance, with 50k on the clock I’d say things are ok. From the seller:
And finally at the uber high end of the spectrum is this listing at $99,500 from Windsor Specialty Auto Sales in California. The car is also listed in Hemmings. From the seller:
This 1978 Porsche Turbo started as an early 3.3L, made its way to DP Motorsports where it received a body, and to Kremer for some minor modifications and badging. Because this is an early car, it
is likely to be one of the first to get the Kremer/DP Motorsports “treatment”. The car has extensive modifications (see below) by S-Car-Racing that raise output to about 550 HP. It is being
offered as a track or show car.
The seller states they will ad more photos, I hope they do, I’d love to peek at the engine. I’m sure photos can be furnished for you serious buyers out there.
With July 4th being this weekend, a little red, white, and blue, is in order. So my thoughts were immediately drawn to some of the great BMWs that raced under the Motorsport tri-color livery. What better way to illustrate this than with a 1979 M1 in the proper Motorsport colors.
This Craigslist offering from Munich Evolution, in Seattle seems to fit the bill perfectly. The seller says this vehicle has unique history, and if you are going to spend $175,000 a little unique history would be nice. The Procar body, this was a single make race series M1s raced under, on this M1 and the great color scheme enhance the value. If you really want BMW’s arguably first and only true supercar they can be had for less (see below), but this seems a fair ask price. The seller mentions that more info will be added about the car soon.
If the patriotic paint scheme is not your thing, than why not start with a blank slate in this all white 1981 M1 widebody currently offered on eBay. $150,000 gets you a AC Schnitzer installed Procar bodied M1 with 22k on the clock. It looks pretty clean and check out that vintage Blaupunkt equalizer.
All else being the same the Motorsport colors look the best to me and the black looks better than the white. Ah decisions.
Only 456 M1s hit the market. The rear mounted 3.5 liter 273 horse power engine makes the thrumming sound that comes from a big inline six. It is a bit more raucous sounding than the deep cabin cruiser yacht sound you hear from the 1st gen M5. This nice clip shows an M1 at Nürburgring with no silly music or voice over to wreck the exhaust note.
Do you have examples of some patriotic U.S./German automotive collaborations to help us celebrate the 4th?
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