Two Turbos or None? BMW 335i v. M3

A few months ago at a gathering of friends, two BMWs were present – my friend’s E46 M3 and his acquaintance’s E82 135i. A bit under my breath, I mentioned to him that I still couldn’t get over how unattractive the 135i was compared to the M3. I may have said that the E82 looked a bit like a really poor quality bodyshop repaired a E46 that had been both in full frontal and rear crashes – poorly. But my friend countered that if anything, that 135i was faster and more fun to drive than his M3. Looking back, I paused, and thought “Could I?” The answer remains no in my book, but it does raise an interesting question – with E92 335i prices dropping within reach of the higher E46 M3s, which is the better choice?

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2008 BMW 335i on eBay

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Green with Envy: 2013 BMW M3 Individual Java Green

When you have effectively the exact same car as many thousands of other enthusiasts, it’s hard to stand out. Countless Audi, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Porsche and Volkswagen enthusiasts try their best to personalize cars, but the reality is that even when you select numerous individual details your car is still one of many that are probably pretty similar. One solution is to buy a car that’s fairly obscure and modify it to your liking; but you’ll struggle to have a car that’s like new and probably won’t function well as a daily driver. If you want something new, reliable and with a warranty, your options are limited – that is, of course, until you select some of the special options offered by Porsche, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and BMW. All will paint your brand new car either one of their options outside of the normal color pallet for an additional fee; for a lot extra, they’ll even paint it any shade you can find anywhere. It’s an expensive option – but if I were thinking long term, it’s one I’d probably select. Chose wisely, and you’ll end up with a stunning package – one like this Java Green 2013 M3 Individual:

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2013 BMW M3 on eBay

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Tuner Tuesday: 2008 BMW M3 Dinan/Hartge

In the wonderful world of tuning, there’s taking it to the edge, and then there’s stepping over the edge. For every tasteful example of a tuner-modified car, it seems that there are several that take it one (or many) steps too far, creating a bit of a monstrosity in the process. While modifying cars is and will always be a form of individual expression, tuning firms always attempt to produce what will sell, not necessarily what is in the best taste. In the spirit of this, today I want to look at a car which I feel was taken a few steps too far; a 2008 Dinan and Hartge modified M3:

Year: 2008
Model: M3
Engine: 4.6 liter V8
Transmission: 7-speed DCT automatic
Mileage: 25,959 mi
Price: $67,500 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2008 BMW M3 on eBay

Please call or text BART @ 724-630-1170 or NICK @ 770-899-0962 to ask any questions regarding this vehicle.

BART @ 724-630-1170

NICK @ 770-899-0962

ONE OF A KIND BMW M3! ALL THE GOOD STUFF AND MORE! DINAN 4.6L STROKER MOTOR, FULL BMW PERFORMANCE INTERIOR, AND TONS OF FACTORY EQUIPMENT TO BOOT! YOU’LL NOT FIND ANOTHER ONE LIKE IT ANYWHERE! OVER $100K SPENT IN MAKING THIS THE MOST RADICAL AND WICKED M3 AROUND!

THIS ISN’T YOU’RE ORDINARY M3 SO IF YOU’RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT DEFINES THE WORD SPECIAL AND ARE LOOKING FOR A FANTASTIC VALUE, THIS IS THE ONE!

NEW FRONT TIRES! DCT TRANSMISSION, TECHNOLOGY PACKAGE, PARK DISTANCE CONTROL, IPOD AND USB ADAPTER, BMW ASSIST, HD RADIO, ENHANCED PREMIUM SOUND! TWO KEYS, ORIGINAL WINDOW STICKER, OWNERS MANUAL SET IN BMW LEATHER BINDER!

Aftermarket Upgrades:
Motor:
– Dinan 4.6L Stroker with the Under drive Pullies – Clamed 527 HP
– Grouppe M Carbon Fiber Intake
– Custom Painted Hartge Engine Cover

Exhaust:
– Active Autowerke Catless X-Pipe
– Active Autowerke Rear Mufflers

DCT Tranny/ Differential:
– DCT Flash (No lag in-between shifts)
– Dinan 3.62 Limited Slip Differential

Wheels/Tires:
– Front – Hartge 20×9 Conti Sport 3 Tires
– Rear – Hartge 20×10 Conti Sport 3 Tires

Brakes:
– Front – Brembo 380mm 6 Piston Painted Silver with Black
Hartge Logo
– Rear – Brembo 380mm 4 Piston Painted Silver with Black Hartge Logo

Suspension:
– RD Sport Springs
– RD Sport Front Sway Bar

Body:
– OEM Front Bumper with Hartge Molded Front Lip and Carbon Fiber Tabs
– OEM Rear Bumper with Hartge Molded Diffuser
– Hartge Side Sills
– Hartge Carbon Roof Spoiler
– Vorstiener E92 Double sided Carbon Truck
– Hartge Front and Rear Emblems
– Hartge Ghost Graphic on doors that matches the Interlagos Blue
– Flat Black Front Grills
– Carbon Fiber Kidney Grills
– Top half of mirror is Carbon Fiber low half is Interlagos Blue
– Carbon Fiber Hood Vents

Interior:
– BMW Performance Seats
– BMW Performance V1 Steering wheel
– Hartge Sliver Carbon Fiber interior
– Hartge E-brake Lever and I-Drive wheel
– Hartge Pedal Set
– Custom Suede Matched rear BMW Performance seats
– Custom Suede Matched Door Panels Front and Rear.
– Macht Schnell gauge panel in place of Ash Tray
– Macht Schnell Passenger Occupancy Sensor

Indeed this is not your ordinary M3, and I was able to write that without caps lock on. In fact, I don’t think you’d need to write that this wasn’t your ordinary M3 if you just look at it. There are so many items that are to like here, and well engineered components at that. First, there’s the superb M3, made even more superb in the beautiful shade of Interlagos Blue. You could have stopped there, and I would have been sold. Then there are the Dinan upgrades; well, who doesn’t like a bit more power? How about one hundred bits? The Dinan upgrades also extend to the transmission reflash and rear end. Okay, I’m still on board. We move on to the Active Autowerks exhaust. I’ve heard these cars opened up, and it’s pretty glorious. Haven’t lost me yet.

Then there are the Hartge bits; wheels, rockers, bumper add-ons and roof spoiler. It’s here where I start to loose some enthusiasm for this build; these items are a bit too blingy and take a bit away from the understated performance of this car. Still, they’re Hartge pieces, and that carries some weight, so I’m not completely lost. However, the shouty “Hartge” custom graphics, the custom painted engine cover, the pedal set, badges everywhere….I just don’t know, it seems akin to digitally inserting Jabba the Hutt into the original Star Wars. Does it add anything? No, you’re just sitting there saying “Okay, I get it, you just wanted to show off that you have money and can do whatever you want”. It goes even farther downhill for me from there, with a few more badges and names thrown into the pile. It’s as if the owner decided to make a sunday at Cold Stone Creamery and added every single item from the toppings menu. Sure, it may taste great for a bite, but in the end you just have a brown pool of melted ice cream with gummy bears and soggy oreo bits floating all over.

While I have no doubt that the asking price of this car doesn’t come close to claimed $100K build costs, the reality is that I don’t really see much value in this car over a stock ZCP car. For all it’s Hartge bragging it’s not a Hartge, and doesn’t identify as a Dinan either, and that leaves it a bit of a “dog’s breakfast” to quote Clarkson. That’s sad because it has all of the right ingredients; I just really wish they hadn’t dumped all of them in at the same time. What do you think?

-Carter

Motorsport Mondays: BMW E92 M3 World Challenge

So you want to go the the race track, eh? I don’t blame you; I’ve been tracking cars for 15 years and went to the track with my father for years before that. It’s a fantastic experience, and addictive for most that are involved. It always seems to start off the same way, too – people come to the track with their daily driver, which is soon replaced by a much faster daily driver, which is then completely ruined as a road car in an effort to get the best lap times possible. Loud exhaust, uncomfortable seats, concrete suspension, ridiculous splitters that you leave on the curbs trying to get drive-up coffee, lots of attention from the local law enforcement who refer to you as “Mario”; if it hasn’t already happened to you, it surely will if you go to the track. This is, of course, not to even mention the expense of building a car to be a track weapon – if you don’t double your initial purchase price or more in modifications, you probably weren’t trying hard enough. That’s why it’s so appealing to buy a track car or – if you have the means – race car that someone else has already built and taken the depreciation bath on! But you don’t have to go all out and buy a full race team of championship winning cars – there are plenty of examples of “also rans” which would make a suitable track weapon for the weekend warriors. Such is the case with today’s example – an already fast car made much faster in the form of an BMW E92 World Challenge M3:

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Year: 2009
Model: M3
Engine: 4.0 liter V8
Transmission: 7-speed DCT automatic
Mileage: N/A mi
Price: $49,000

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2009 E92 M3 World Challenge on Racingjunk.com

World Challenge E92 M3 (DCT)
Engine-
-Fully Rebuilt World challenge spec engine built by Sunbelt.
-Around 4 Hr of race time on motor.
Cooling-
-C&R radiator/ Oil Cooler
-Setrab Trans Cooler
-Setrab Power steering Cooler
Breaks-
-4 piston Stoptech Front breaks w 355mm Floating rotors
-Custom Front break ducts
– HP Carbon Cooling backing plate ducts
Suspension-
-2 way Ohlins (Front/Rear)
– Upgraded mono ball
-multiple Ebich springs
Exaust-
-custom headdress
-Full custom Exhaust
-upgraded Front and rear sway bars
Safety-
– Full SCCA pro racing approved roll cage
– Recently updated Safe craft fire system
– new Safcraft hans seat belts w/cam lock
– SCCA approved footwell protector
-Carbon fiber Recaro hans seat
Aero-
-Carbon fiber hood
-Carbon fiber doors / factory BMW
-Carbon Fiber trunk
-Costom carbon fiber splitter made by prototype composites
-Lexon windows Front/rear/sides
-Aero Motions Carbon Rear Wing
Wheels-
-2 sets of apex
-3 wheels bbs
Data-
-Aim Evo 4 with dash
Mic-
-Cool Suite. With out shirt.
-Works paddle shifters
-Momo steering wheel, non quick disconnect.
-custom dash relocation.
-Scca approved Kill switch.
-Pre wired safety light com
-Scca Approved safety nets Driver/Center
Spares-
-2 trans
-1 trunk
-other mic parts

Seller Phone Number: (303) 929-3304
Seller Phone Number2: (720) 839-9348
This item is USED

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I’ll save you some calculator time; adding up the modifications and spares listed will exceed the purchase price of this car. Heck, as I’ve said with multiple other race cars I’ve written up, getting a proper engine built will set you back half of the purchase amount. This car is certain to be fast at the track, and is really ideally set up for racing though you could utilize it for DE events. In that case you’d likely need to add a passenger seat which would throw off your corner balancing, so keep that in mind. Being that this car came from World Challenge, it’s probably had some or lots of body damage, so it’s best to check the car for frame twist prior to purchase, but at the advertised price it’s hard to see how you could go wrong. At around half the going rate for a Porsche 997 Cup Car, this car offers most of the same performance and certainly more than enough for any given driver unless your name ends in Said or Auberlen. Keep it long enough, and it will even be eligible for some vintage events in the distant future. If you have the room (and a trailer) to make this happen, there’s no cheaper way to go this fast.

-Carter

V8 Week Motorsport Monday: Turner BMW/Riley M3 Race Car Pair

I have to admit, I got pretty excited when we first started talking about V8 week. There are so many different cars to choose from; but, it makes “Motorsport Monday” a bit more difficult. “Why”, you say? Well, it turns out that even though most of the marques we feature use V8s in their road cars, not that many of them use them to race with. Finding an Audi DTM V8 Quattro would have been my preferred method of solving this problem, but there just aren’t that many out there for sale. The Mercedes SLS AMG GT3s and Audi R8 GT ALMSs are still a bit too new to come up on the used market, and that really only leaves one option: The BMW M3 V8. Well, at least, that’s what you would think, though the reality is that calling these Turner M3s “M3” is a bit of a stretch. Tube frame, carbon fiber bodied, M5 powered race cars that look like M3s, sure, but the reality is that these cars share only some dimensions with your road going E9x. Still, since this isn’t “M3” week, but “V8” week, I think we’ll allow them – and besides, for the asking price, you get two!

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Year: 2011
Model: M3
Engine: 5.0 liter V8
Transmission: 6-speed semi-automatic
Mileage: N/A mi
Price: $450,000

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2011 E92 M3 Rolex GT Race Team at Turner Motorsports

FOR SALE: Turner Motorsport Riley Chassis GT Class M3s

The No. 93 and 94 Rolex GT M3 are for sale. Riley tube frame chassis / M3 carbon body race cars highly competitive (7 class victories) in the GT Rolex class and are legal (with a few modifications) to run in the Rolex GT-D cars in 2014. We have invested over 1.6 million into these cars over the last couple years. Priced to sell $450,000/both (with enough spares to run them for many races !)

Car #94
Car #93

Past Drivers / Alternates:
Boris Said, Bill Auberlen, Billy Johnson, Maxime Martin, Andy Priaulx, Dirk Werner, Dirk Müller, Jörg Müller, Pedro Lamy

Chassis/Body
Chassis: Riley Technologies Mk XVI GT tube-frame
Layout: front engine – rear wheel drive
Body: carbon fiber based on BMW E92 M3 with 1″ Fender flares all around
Weight: Aprox 2600lbs w/o ballast.

Drivetrain
Engine: BMW S62 V8
Engine Management Bosch Motorsport
Motech Dash
Emco Transaxel w/ Paddle shifters. No lift shift and Automatic blip on downshift.

Suspension
Front upper and lower wishbones
Penske coil over damper
driver-adjustable sway bar

Brakes
Front Alcon 4-piston calipers
380mm Rotors
Rear Alcon 4-piston calipers
330mm Rotors

Wheels & Tires
Front Forgeline 3-piece
Rear Forgeline 3-piece

Price: $450,000.00

Price includes both cars and all spares. Please email spassen@turnermotorsport.com for more information. Serious Inquiries only.

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If you’re a fan of Rolex GT or Continental Sports Car racing and a BMW fan, you’ve really enjoyed Turner’s fight against the seemingly overwhelming competition in BMW M3s. I believe I’m correct that these cars have been the most successful M3s over here since the days of the PTG E36 M3s. Tune in to any race they’ve been in and you’re guaranteed to see Auberlen sliding these cars around the way few can, pushing the limits of what he’s been given – and often ending up on the podium. But for Turner the times and rules have changed and they’re moving on, leaving us with not one, but two of their well developed Riley tube frame race cars to purchase. Turner claims 1.6 million invested, and watching the performance over the years, that number is pretty believable. Racing ain’t cheap. But, as we’ve seen in Motorsport Monday features, buying someone else’s old race cars can save you a bundle of money.

That’s not without it’s issues, as again if you’ve been following Turner’s races, you’ve witnessed these cars “trading paint” with some of their competitors, bounce through gravel traps, and fly through the air at inopportune and unexpected times. Despite this, they are simply the best developed “M3″s that you can buy right now. A veritable who’s who of sports car racing has piloted these two cars. They were no expense spared, best parts out there builds. The M5-derived S62 powerplant has proven reliable enough to run in the Daytona Prototype category. Brakes, suspension, wheels, aero, electronics and transmissions are all state of the art. It’s noted that these cars will be eligible for the new rule set with modification, but the future owner would also be able to qualify for other series as well – including BMWCCA racing, NASA, and in the future some vintage race events. Turner has given BMW fans, German car fans in general, and Motorsports fans something special with their run in these cars and watching them has truly been magic.

On a side note, I was also pretty excited as to how many categories these two race cars qualified for – at six individual categories, I may have just set a GCFSB.com record. I also have a special connection to Turner; when I was about 14 years old, Will gave me one of my first rides on the track way back when he was an instructor with the BMW club running a then not-very modified E30 M3. It’s really neat to see how far he’s been able to come! Now, grab your 1/2 million dollars and go set some records of your own by owning these great pieces of history!

-Carter

Reader Ride: 2008 E92 V8 M3 with Dinan and Active Autowerke Upgrades

Chris emailed me this week to let us know that his 2008 M3 is for sale. Normally we favor older cars for the blog but this is a well thought out e92 with an impressive list of enhancements.

2008 BMW M3 For Sale on eBay

From the seller’s listing:

I am selling my 2008 m3 coupe since I’m buying a new boat and will be downsizing to one car. I purchased this car new in 2008 from Vista BMW in Fort Lauderdale FL. The car has been a weekend car since I purchased it. I use another vehicle for work. This car is in perfect condition with no dings, scratches or imperfections. It has never been wrecked, painted, or abused in any way. It has only been washed by me and detailed by a very high end detailer who uses only Swissvax products. It was detailed one month ago at which time it was clayed, sealed, waxed, and full interior treatment. This cost $500. The car was just serviced with an alignment, balance, and oil change 1 month ago. The car has never been driven on a track or raced. Factory warranty until June-2012. The factory installed options include:

– Full Leather interior (including lower dash)
– Technology Package (navigation, electronic damper control, etc.)
– Premium Package
– Satellite Radio
– HD Radio

The car is fully loaded except for the cold weather package. Now to the fun part. I have installed very tasteful and high end parts that make this car drive and sound amazing! (I have all of the documents surrounding these modifications which were done at 10,000 miles)

— Dinan Stage 1 suspension with full custom Alignment ($1500 with installation)
— Ground Control adjustable front sway bar end links ($300)
– Active Autowerke Full Exhaust with X-pipe from header back and euro spec high-flow cats ($5000 with installation)
– Active Autowerke Air Filter ($150)
– Active Autowerke Short Shifter ($500)
– Active Autowerke Pulley Kit ($500)
– RAC RG 63 Champion Motorsport Forged Racing Wheels – 19×9 fronts with 255/35/19 Michelin PS2/19×10 rears with 275/35/19 Michelin PS2 ( these wheels were made custom for only the BMW e92 M3 by a local M3 racer and enthusiast and are 8000 ton forged press) (The tires and wheels cost $6500).
– Hawk HPS Brake Pads (They stop far better than stock and produce no dust)
– Challenge Stainless Steal Brake Lines
– Motul Brake Fluid
– Hardwires for Passport 9500ix with smart console professionally installed in ashtray
– BMW Performance Black front Grill & side gills

The e92 M3 is a potent car as is, but I have to say this list of upgrades fits with exactly what I’d dream of doing if I owned one. To have all those products already installed is a big plus in my mind — no need to negotiate those upgrades with missus, they’re already installed!

This exhaust in particular is equally impressive looking and sounding. Here’s the best clip I could find online with the x-pipe and exhaust (not the seller’s car):

Good luck with the sale Chris! If you have a great German car for sale, drop me an email so we can add it to the site.

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