I’ve been on a little bit of a 930 run lately so let’s continue that. This one isn’t a Slantnose, though it does look a little sad. And I mean that in a fully anthropomorphized sense. I think we can see why so many owners replace the standard headlamps. It does have the rear quarter vents and strakes like the Slantnose and it’s when we get into these areas that my interest rises.
This 930 presents us with a little bit of a puzzle. At least, it does if you’re like me and thinking about 911 values and markets and whatnot. The seller goes to great lengths about this being a show car. At first, I wasn’t sure what he was on about and why the insistence on mentioning it. A lot of older 911s and 930s appear at these events. That’s where the puzzle begins: This 930 isn’t in the vain of a SEMA-style show car, but it isn’t a regular 930 either. It’s modifications aren’t hugely significant, but they do seem purposeful and intended to attract a certain level of attention. The mileage is quite low and it looks in really good condition. The show car emphasis then began to make sense to me. The question I wondered: will prospective buyers have a similar level of appreciation?
We last got to look at a modified E30 through the disappointing realization that finally after years of trying to sell with different dealers, the car listed as an Alpina C2 2.5 was just a very convincing replica. But as noted, the car was clean and wore a lot of really expensive Alpina bits – so while the price tag of $22,800 seemed high for a replica, it was in some ways amazingly justified.
So what happens when the car in question is a real Alpina? We find out when we look at an actual Alpina C2. The asking price in that case was nearly double at $39,500. And when you factor in that the C2 is one of the less desirable E30 Alpinas out there, that’s drawn into sharper contrast.
So here we are again with another Alpina to consider, but it’s not alone. One of our readers spotted a Hartge H26 – an even more rare to see variant of modified 1980s E30. And to kick the rarity up a few notches, both are 4-doors instead of the usual 2-door sedans. So how do they compare in terms of pricing, and are these cars all that they seem?
It feels too long since I featured a Porsche 930. I believe it’s only been a month and my last feature came on the heels of a bunch of interesting early 930s coming up for sale. Since then, there hasn’t been much. But such is their desirability and my own love for them that at some point I yearn to find another and search even deeper. I think this one is well worth it.
Here is a Prussian Blue 1986 Porsche 930 Coupe, located in Connecticut, with a matching Dark Blue leather interior and just 20,225 miles on it. Among other things it came optioned with sport seats and specially ordered Platinum painted Fuchs wheels. I really like the contrast provided by the wheels.
The M635CSi somehow gets lost among the other greats of the period from BMW. Perhaps, for U.S. fans, it’s the nomenclature that’s confusing. After all, there was a M1, an M3, and a M5, but when it came to the M version of the E24, BMW stuck with the moniker M635CSi in all markets but the United States and Japan. Confounding that decision was the launch of the E28 M535i. Like the M635CSi, it had additional body pieces, special interior trim and wheels from M-Technic. But while the M535i had a fairly normal M30 under the hood, the E24 received the full-fat M88/3 that was shared with the M5. Like the European M5 production started in 1984, well before they were available to U.S. customers. But while the M5 only sold in very sparse numbers over its short production cycle (about 775 sold in Europe between 1984 and 1987), the M635i was a relative hit, with just over 3,900 selling overall – far more than made it the U.S. market. Additionally, the European models were a slightly more pure form of the design; smaller bumpers, less weight, and about 30 more horsepower on tap without catalyst.
These European spec models were offered with some color combinations and interiors that never came to the U.S. market. A great example of the combination of these factors is today’s 1986 right hand drive model in the striking “Akaziengrün” – Acacia Green Metallic:
The Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16V is quickly becoming one of those ”snatch one up while you can” cars. Much like it’s rival E30 BMW M3, these are becoming hot buys in terms of driving enjoyment and collectibility. They aren’t quite at the level of the E30 M3 where people are pulling them out of the bottoms of lakes and selling them as-is for $12,000 yet, but probably in the next few years we’ll get to that point. That’s probably why this 1986 is still for sale in San Diego. Well that, and a few other areas of this car certainly need some attention.
This is another of Porsche’s many available colors that I’ve never seen before. It’s called Pastel Beige, which I’m pretty sure is an oxymoron.
Marketing person #1: We’re struggling to sell some of these beige colored cars, what should we do?
Marketing person #2: Our pastel colors seem to be very popular, maybe produce additional…
Marketing person #1: Say no more.
The name aside, it’s actually a strangely attractive color that works well on the lines of the 3.2 Carrera. It reminds me a lot of Ivory and Chiffon White, both of which had been available on earlier 911s. Pastel Beige is certainly a color within that range. Paired with a Grey Beige interior, which in the pictures looks much more of a brown than grey, we end up with a natural combination and it kind of works. Pastel or not this isn’t an exciting color, but it is a pretty one and, of course, of almost equal importance it’s quite rare. Here it adorns a 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera Coupe, located in California, with just 16,045 miles on it.
Let’s get the not-so-subtle elephant in the room out of the way – this car isn’t, and probably never will be, a collector example of a 944 Turbo. Heck, perhaps the 944 Turbo will never be appreciated on a more grand scale, either, though I personally find that one pretty baffling.
Okay, can we move on?
Let’s say that instead of just hoping that some day your car will be worth a mint, or indeed even caring what other people think about your vehicular choices, you just want have a car which looks good and is enjoyable to drive. Let’s not forget, this advice is coming from someone with somewhat polarizing vehicle choices…so, take the advice with a grain of salt, but I’m going to persist in my argument that the 944 Turbo is the car for you. A true David of the 1980s, the 944 Turbo was the understated and unassuming Goliath slayer, turned down by the factory so as not to have its performance overshadow the 911 range. Being faster than a 911 is pretty much verboten in Germany and especially in Stuttgart, but nearly everyone that experienced a 944 Turbo in the 1980s came away with the impression that in every statistical (and in some non-statistical ways) it was a better car than the Carrera.
But, as one of our astute readership noted, certain cars – the Audi Quattro, the BMW M3 and M5, and of course the 911 range – were the cars of certain groups of individuals dreams. The 944 Turbo really wasn’t. There weren’t many people that hung 944 Turbo posters on their walls, because there was always something from Porsche that was a little bit more special – the 928 was more futuristic, the 911 was more comforting as a predictable classic and “Turbo” was synonymous with only one Porsche in history.…
At the end of last week I closed with a Marine Blue over Linen 930, a color combination both attractive and rare. Perhaps even more rare than we might first think. I wasn’t sure the value was quite right, but the car itself looked really nice.
Here I will continue along those same lines with another darker metallic exterior that we rarely see. The mileage is a good bit lower and I suspect the price will be a good bit higher. Whether the value again is off remains to be seen, but this 930 itself looks in great shape and will certainly attract attention. This is a Moss Green Metallic 1986 Porsche 930 Coupe, located in St. Louis, with a contrasting dark green and black interior and just 19,810 miles on it.
Model: 911 Turbo
Engine: 3.3 liter turbocharged flat-6
Transmission: 4-speed manual
Mileage: 19,810 mi
Price: Reserve Auction
Call David Humphrey of Aston Martin St. Louis / Cell: 314.600.4562
Or, at the Aston Martin St. Louis Showroom / 636.449.0000 Extension #328
You are viewing a 1986 Porsche 911 Turbo Coupe (930) in Moss Green Metallic over Dark Green and Black with just 19,810 miles driven from new.
This stunning 930 Turbo is the genuine article and in its original and factory stock configuration.
It not only looks stunning but it drives exactly as designed, we know of no faults or issues with this car.
With us on consignment from a much valued client of ours, we did re-charge the air conditioning system and mount and balance 4 new Bridgestone Potenza tires for him this August and it hasn’t covered 50 miles since.
It also had the best Ceramic Pro paint treatment applied to the stunning original paintwork at this time (a $2,200 value) which comes with a lifetime warranty.
As should be clear by now, we’re looking at cars from across the pond this week. Especially those that are right-hand drive. I’m going to follow a slightly different tack from the direction Carter and Andrew have taken us so far. They’ve shown a few interesting and quite reasonably priced models that weren’t available in the States. As is not atypical of the 911, mine will not be so reasonably priced, but I do think they are just as interesting. Some even more so!
I will start with this: a Grand Prix White 1986 Porsche 911 Carrera Targa Supersport with Black interior and just 29,250 miles on it:
Model: 911 Carrera Targa
Engine: 3.2 liter flat-6
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 29,250 mi
Price: £119,995 (~ $155,600)
PORSCHE 911 3.2 CARRERA TARGA SUPERSPORT, 1986
MILEAGE: – 29,250 MILES, UK SUPPLIED
GRAND PRIX WHITE WITH BLACK LEATHER SEATS, PIPED WHITE
FACTORY SPECFICATIONS INCLUDE:- SUPER SPORT EQUIPMENT (TURBO LOOK), LEATHER INTERIOR, LEATHER STEERING WHEEL, FRONT SPORTS SEATS WITH ELECTRIC ADJUSTMENT, CENTRAL LOCKING, TOP TINTED WINDSCREEN, 16” FUCHS WHEELS WITH PAINTED WHITE CENTRES, HEADLAMP WASH, LUGGAGE COMPARTMENT CARPET TRIMMED IN BLACK VELOUR, REAR SEAT BELTS.
This is a real opportunity to own probably the best 911 Super Sport Edition coupe. It has an extremely low mileage, with its first owner enjoying the vehicle for the first 30 years. The last-of-the-line in traditional Porsches, these Carrera 3.2’s are the best way to deliver the famous air-cooled old-world Porsche driving experience. Evoking a time before power steering and other driving aids altered modern Porsches forever, this Porsche offers today’s lucky driver the authentic driving experience that made Porsche 911’s legendary.
The 911 3.2 had a redesigned engine inlet and exhaust system, along with the fitment of a service-free Digital Engine Management ignition system (DME), in conjunction with Bosch L-Jetronic fuel metering.
Edit 10/8/2017 – This car is back up again on a new auction with the vinyl removed and/or replaced. The seller removed their ~$5,000 asking price but the car has gone through several reserve auctions and not cleared $3,000.
Do you ever see a car and think it looks awfully familiar? Probably like a lot of you, I scan listings nearly every day, and every day provides a wealth of new examples of rare cars that encourages a lot of what we do here at GCFSB. But, once in a while, one pops up that sticks out like a sore thumb.
Now, being the chief (and only) Audi Coupe GT enthusiast
in the world at GCFSB, I’m obviously prone to remembering these cars. Sure enough, with so few hitting the market these days I tend to remember every single example I’ve written up – meaning, basically every single example which comes to market – sorry about that.
But this one is particularly interesting. I immediately recognized the Team Dynamics wheels that this 1986 was wearing, but the two-tone paint color was off. Not many Oceanic Blue Metallic Coupe GTs are still kicking around, but at least the sides of this one were the neat and oh-so-80s-electric hue. But closer investigation of some of the details in the description revealed what I thought; this was the same GT I knew from the early 2000s. Originally, the car was Graphite Metallic with black leather – a rare combination on an infrequently seen car – and had been upgraded to participate in track events in Pennsylvania with a cage, a hotter NG motor, rear discs and upgraded suspension, those great looking Team Dynamics wheels and a few other odds and ends. Later it turned up on the West Coast with a notorious flipper of Audis; now with European H1/H4 lights and little else but failing paint, the flipper was looking to make a profit claiming it was one of the best GTs in the country.…