10K Friday: Seeing Quattro? 1994 S4 v. 2000 S4 v. 2004 S4

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Last week I wrote up one of the nicest S4s I’ve seen in a while; and like death and taxes, immediately afterwards another popped up. Point to you, Internet Gods. It got me thinking a bit, though; prices of the three first generations are all falling into line with each other, with good examples of early cars rising, B5 generation static and affordable, and the B6 still falling slightly. It offers a unique chance to own one of three cars with the same name, same purpose, and same manufacturer but very different personalities. Today’s 10K Friday then is between the venerable C4 1994 S4, the beloved B5 2000 S4, and the silky smooth B6 S4. Let’s start where it all began with the 1994:

Year: 1994
Model: S4
Engine: 2.2 liter turbocharged inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 82,651 mi
Price: $11,500 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1994 Audi S4 on eBay

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You are looking at an impressive piece of AWD German engineering that is advanced even by today’s standards. This is an original Audi S car with the 20-valve 5-cylinder turbocharged AAN born of Audi’s World Rally Championship heritage. It is increasingly rare to see this kind of S4 in this condition, color and low original mileage. I am a meticulous Audi enthusiast and have cared for the car accordingly.

Condition:
Mechanical – very good – No fluid leaks, maintenance is up to date, only synthetic oil (either Castrol GTX or Mobil 1) with BG MOA oil additive was used. The timing belt is up-to-date as conveyed to me by previous owner and good to go until 100k miles. I of course had my certified Audi mechanic inspect it anyway upon purchase and he confirmed the condition of the belt (good with no cracks/imperfections) corroborates this. November of last year I flushed all the fluids including brake fluid, transmission fluid and coolant (Audi red). The clutch is original to my knowledge, is tight and in great shape. I only ran Shell, Conoco or Diamond Shamrock premium gasoline.

Notable mechanical repairs under my ownership include: stainless steel brake lines installed, valve cover gasket replaced, starter replaced, new brakes and rotors two months ago, and new power radio antenna. NOTE: Pre-purchase mechanical inspections at local and reputable Audi shops are welcomed at the expense of the interested party provided my schedule will allow it and it isn’t too much of an inconvenience. These must be completed prior to the close of the auction sale.

Interior – Immaculate. No rips, tears, odors or stains. The driver’s floor mat is somewhat worn.

Body – very good condition. No dents or door dings that I am aware of, nor other imperfections. I wash it, wax it and condition the interior leather on a monthly basis if not more frequently.

Paint – Freshly waxed it looks brand new.

Upgrades – I’ve upgraded the brake lines, the wheels to the B5 S4 Avus 17″ wheels (perfect shape), had an aftermarket power antenna installed (black instead of silver) and the balance of the car is OEM.

Features: You get an AWD platform that excels in all weather conditions, a legendary and very reliable power plant in the 20-valve turbo, 5-speed manual transmission, wrapped in a gorgeous body and it comes with every option Audi could dream of for that year. It doesn’t get much better.

History: This is an original Colorado car. The first owner bought it here, retired eventually and liked the car so much he took it to Hawaii with him. After a period of time there, he sold it. I believe I bought it from the second owner there in Hawaii and had it shipped back to Colorado, making me the third owner. I am selling it because I am saving up for a home purchase. This car comes with a clean Colorado title and clean Carfax available upon request. NOTE: This is my daily driver at present and mileage will go up accordingly.

Payment: This sale is an auction-style sale. To retain the vehicle, the winning bidder must provide a non-refundable $500 deposit via Paypal within 24 hours of the conclusion of the auction. The balance of the funds must be paid to me through certified check drawn off a verifiable bank or cash when the agent, shipper or buyer arrives to pick up the vehicle and title no later than one week after the close of the auction sale.

Shipping: I will help out with this as much as is reasonably possible, but the buyer is responsible for all shipping arrangements.

Finally, please feel free to ask me any questions and I will answer them to the best of my ability in as timely a manner as possible. Thank you and good luck!

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The “Ur-S”s are loved by there owners and desired by many in and out of the Audi crowd. Although they were really an evolution of the 200, they were a revelation in the all-weather high-performance sedan and wagon category. The seller notes that the AAN is legendary, and these cars are pretty bulletproof through 300,000 plus miles. As we’ve mentioned many times, these cars hit the bottom of the market a few years ago and it has become hard to find clean examples. This particular model is one of the lower mileage examples that has come up for sale recently, and one of the very few that remains nearly stock. I have to admit that Tornado Red isn’t my favorite color on the big-body Audis, and the Avus alloys never seem quite right to me on this generation. Source a set of early D2 18″ Avus wheels (that never came to the U.S. – think the Ronin car), the 17” Boleros I mentioned in the last post, or properly the original 16×8 light and strong Fuchs to correct that problem. With the right wheels, I could probably live with the color. The maintenance and history seem good, so that just leaves the price – a little high to me, but as we’ve stated before – go find another. Maybe the C4 isn’t your thing, and you like the slick packaging of the car that replaced it – the B5 S4:

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Year: 2000
Model: S4
Engine: 2.7 liter twin-turbocharged V6
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Mileage: 102,498 mi
Price: $8,883 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2000 Audi S4 on eBay

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Check out this older Audi S4 manual transmission car. Overall for a 14 year old car it’s in good shape. An older couple owned the car. The exterior is in decent shape and the same with the interior. This car because of age and mileage is being sold as-is no warranty expressed of implied. This car has not been through our shop and we recommend an independent inspection.

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There’s a lot to like here; the color combination, while not the most popular on the B5, looks sharp and fits the car’s profile well. I like the lighter interior to the often-specified black. I’m not a fan of the wheels, though that could be sorted with a quick call to the owner of the above 94. The 2.7 twin-turbo V6 has proven to be pretty reliable through high miles too; I have a friend with a highly modified 2000 that has just crested 300,000 miles with no sign of slowing down. That motor is also nearly as tunable as the AAN, with many pushing 400 plus horsepower. There are drawbacks; the more electronically dependent quattro system in the B5 doesn’t handle high power upgrades or snow quite as well as the more simple earlier C4 and turbo replacement is just about a guarantee on these cars as they get older; that necessitates pulling the motor and is an expensive job. Additionally, the B cars with their 4 link suspension often have a fair share of squeaks and rattles, but it’s nothing that any older German car wouldn’t experience. You could argue, then, that if the original car wasn’t your bag, maybe you should get the newest one you can on a budget – enter the B6 2004 V8 S4:

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Year: 2004
Model: S4
Engine: 4.2 liter V8
Transmission: 5-speed automatic
Mileage: 141,123 mi
Price: $10,995 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2004 Audi S4 on eBay

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2004 Audi S4 100% Carfax Serviced

Clean vehicle history report

100% Carfax certified

100% Autocheck certified

Bose stereo system

Heated seats

Factory Recaro seats

Best color combo

White over black

2 master keys – 1 valet key

Arctic White exterior – Ebony Nappa leather interior

340HP, 4.2 LITER V8 engine – automatic transmission

Premium package – Originally $1,650 Package

Glass power tilting sliding front sunroof with sunshade and one-touch opening; Coming home device; Garage door opener; Driver power heated chrome door mirrors with automatic operation, passenger power heated chrome door mirrors with automatic and automatic operation; Memorized adjustment on door mirror position with six driver’s seat positions; Automatic operation rear view mirror; Compass; Headlight control with time delay switch-off and dusk sensor; Electric foldable mirrors

Heated seats – Originally $450 option

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Before you start in on me, I get that it’s an auto, but these are on the downward swing still and the tiptronic models are in general worth a bit less, so they fall into the 10K category a little more easily. The tip S4s with the V8 don’t have the lag issues the B5 experienced because of the nature of the V8 versus the blown V6 unit, so while it’s not for everyone the tiptronic isn’t as bad for a daily driver as you might think. I love the white on these S4s; they stand out and look properly German and clean. As I mentioned before I’m not as big a fan of the black interiors, though. Like the B5, the B6 has some known engine gremlins that will result in the mill being pulled out, but repairs between the two seem to be about the same cost if not slightly less on the V8.

If it were my money, I think I’d find it hard to pass up the B5. While that C4 is very nice and 9.9 times out of 10 I’d choose the earlier car, like the GTis I wrote up yesterday if I were paying top dollar for a particular model I think I’d hold out for a color I’d prefer as they do still pop up, albeit infrequently. The B5 seems to be the deal of the group; miles, color combo, and platform are right for a daily driver that you can have a lot of fun in on a budget, or modify into your dream RS model. Which would you prefer?

-Carter

1992 Audi S4

We’ve featured quite a few original Audi S6s recently, and they always get the attention they deserve, as one of the best performance bargains available in German motoring. It’s rare, though, to find their older brother S4s in good shape for sale. Launched in late 1991, the S4 took the platform of the 200 20V to another level, utilizing mostly the same drive train encompassed in a new aerodynamic and smart looking package. Like the 200 20V and V8 Quattro, the S4 featured flared fenders covering wide rubber, this time mounted to (gasp) 16″ wheels – Audi was still pushing the ride quality virtues of larger sidewall tires compared to those racey boys from Munich. While the S4 lacked the punch of either the M5 or 500E, it was a more complete package for many of it’s buyers, offering year round performance coupled with reasonable economy. Imagine the other firms going to smaller displacement turbocharged engines….cough, cough. Anyway, enough history, let’s look at one of the nicest S4s I’ve seen in quite a long time:

Year: 1992
Model: S4
Engine: 2.2 liter turbocharged inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 104,000 mi
Price: $9,000

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1992 Audi S4 on Quattroworld.com

92 Audi S4 (Feb 92 build) in great shape w/ rare Quattro script on rear window (MY 92 only). 9,500.00 Denver, CO

Service records going back to 1996/50k miles with ~340 HP
Silver with Grey interior .
One of the best 92 S4 in the states with only 104k miles on the car.

Third owner, The A/C has converted to R134a. Working 10 disk CD Changer. Interior and exterior are in really nice shape for a five year old car let alone for a 21 year old car. No joy rides, not in a hurry to sell.

link to photos

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2BDCFDC7F34B32BB!135&authkey=!ACH8dooSJtfW-Y8

Highlights (within the last 50K miles)
RS2 Turbo, Exhaust Manifold, MAS, Injectors, and Exhaust Camshaft
Abt sports suspension
3″ Stromung Exhaust System
Performance Diverter Value
Porsche 993TT Brake kit (less than 9k on pads and rotors)
LLTek RS2 lower lip spoiler
Full 3m clear bra on hood, frnt qtr panels, bumper, lower spoiler, and mirrors
A Pillar boost Gauge
S4 sports steering wheel
Euro s4 lens
92 S4 rear sway bar
92 S4 larger front sway bar
4 17×8 TSW Hockenheim (summer set) with Hankook Ventus V12 Evo 235/75ZR17 95% remaining
4 17×8 TSW Hockenheim (winter set) with Michelin Pilot Alpin 225/45/17 75% tread remaining
1 17×8 TSW Hockenheim spare

Service Highlights
104K Brakes flushed
103k replaced Timing Belt & water pump, cooling system flushed
95k New Mass Air sensor, Fuel Injectors, front rotors and pads
95k New ignition switch
88k Replaced sunroof cables and guides
86k New Power Steering pump
85k replaced lower control arm bushings
79k New RS2 turbo, and RS2 cam shaft & software update
79k replaced transmission and diff fluids
76k New steering rack, steering damper, and strut boots
76k replaced fuel line
68k strut brace installed (Feb 92 car)
67k 3″ exhausted installed
60K s/s Brake Lines from Hoppen Motorsports installed
56k Accelotator pedal replaced
56k MTM software from Hoppen Motorsports installed
51k Abt/Bilstein Sports Suspension from Hoppen Motorsports installed
51k RS2 exhaust manifold kit from Hoppen Motorsports installed

Issues
Driver seat heating element is out
Front Passenger speaker not working
Very small dent on rear driver side door
Paint of roof of car is not the best compared to the car as a whole
Minor cracks around key slot on rear taillight lens

https://skydrive.live.com/redir?resid=2BDCFDC7F34B32BB!135&authkey=!ACH8dooSJtfW-Y8

Desirable upgrades, recent maintenance, perfect color combination…does it get much better than this? With a claimed and usually believable 340 horsepower on tap, those pesky M5s and 500Es are nothing to worry about for this car. A/C is converted, most everything works (I can live without the toasty tush), and it just looks loved and taken care of. I have to admit, the front chin spoiler and wheels aren’t my favorite but are changeable without too much difficulty. Ideally I’d love to see a set of Euro-market 17″ Boleros on there, but they can be hard to come by these days.

Asking price for all of this is a scant $9,000 – as I’ve argued before, just look at what condition 500E or M5 that puts you into, and this car is certain to trump it. It may be on the high end for C4 S4s but with the work completed, service records, the lower miles, two sets of wheels and the desirable modifications, this car looks like a stellar deal to me.

-Carter

1983 Audi Coupe GT

There was certainly a lot of interest in the 1986 Coupe GT Commemorative Edition I posted the other day. Though in rare to see color combinations and good overall condition, there were lots of questions about the car – especially at the advertised price. While we have featured many of the later aero-bumpered cars in both GT and 4000 form, we rarely get to see the original quad-headlight equipped versions come up for sale, especially in good condition. Today we have an exception to the rule with a clean 1983 Coupe GT in the desirable Mars Red often found on it’s bigger brother, the Quattro:

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Year: 1983
Model: Coupe GT
Engine: 2.2 liter inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: N/A
Price: $2,950

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1983 Audi Coupe GT on Craigslist

I’m reluctantly selling my ’83 coupe, and hoping it will find a good home. Originally sold in Georgia, where it’s spent its whole life, I am the 3rd owner. It has a clear Georgia title and comes with the original owner’s manual and warranty booklet, and even the salesman’s business card who sold it!

The car is all original, except for the paint. It was resprayed a few years ago in the original Mars Red and is in great shape cosmetically, save for a few hail dings which a paintless dent guy could iron out easily. There are also a couple of minor rust spots starting, but the car looks awesome and gets a lot of attention. It runs and drives great with a brand new battery, timing belt and water pump, and all new vacuum lines.

The interior is beautiful. The cleanest interior you’ll ever expect to see in a 1980s car. The only negatives are a cracked dash (typical), worn/cracked leather on the top of the steering wheel, and the original vinyl driver’s seat has a split in one of the seams, so the car has seat covers that are black with red stitching, which look awesome in the red car. Everything works, even the original Audi radio, power windows, etc. It’s missing the rear wiper, radio antenna and the 4 rings emblem on the front grille, which you can find on eBay for about $15.

Will consider a trade for a motorcycle or a MK1 VW Rabbit GTI.

Best way to get me is by text message. Text Joe @ 404-429-2512

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These cars often suffer neglect and early deaths as the result of rust creeping in; as a Southern car, it’s nice to not have to worry about that eventuality quite yet! Another issue that plagues the running condition of all CIS cars is vacuum leaks, so having new lines will certainly keep this car running well for a while. Though CIS is often reviled for the lack of tuning ability, the reality is that it’s a pretty good and dependable system when the vacuum leaks are sorted. Having fresh paint, clean original wheels, and a good mechanical history sets this car apart from the 1986 we featured the other day.

While I’m not the biggest fan of the earlier car look in U.S. spec with it’s diving board bumpers, much like the BMWs from the same period there are very slick European units which look stellar when fitted to these cars. The seats, too, can be sourced from other models, and a really industrious owner could swap to a later dash if they really wanted to do away with the cracks. Despite flaws on the interior, I think this car looks solid and is very well priced under $3,000. At that price, it doesn’t bother me at all that the miles aren’t disclosed. This is truly a good looking collectable classic that could be owned and run inexpensively but would always draw a crowd at any European show.

-Carter

1986 Audi Coupe GT Commemorative Edition

We’ve featured a few Audi Coupe GTs here recently, and for different reasons I have loved them all. In the case of this car, it has to be the interior – one of the hard-to-find Commemorative Edition GTs with red leather. These are fun but affordable cars that have a healthy dose of good styling from Giugiaro but enough practicality to transport four plus luggage, and are known to run easily into the hundreds of thousands of miles. Unlike their 4000 quattro stablemates, mint condition examples of Coupe GTs seem to pop up from time to time, and today we have found one – a Graphite Metallic 1986 Audi Coupe GT CE.

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Year: 1986
Model: Coupe GT Commemorative Edition
Engine: 2.2 liter inline-5
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Mileage: 56,500 mi
Price: $7,999 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 1986 Audi Coupe GT Commemorative Edition on eBay

ULTRA Rare Anniversary Edition Audi Coupe GT. Probably the rarest Coupe GT in the USA and the Black Exterior with Red Leather Interior is the rarest color combination. They made these in 1986 and Anniversary Editions had Digital Dashes, different wheels, red leather interior, red door panels, body color painted spoiler, Coupe GT Floor Mats, blacked out interior trim instead of chrome stock, digital trip computer, mpg, etc. They only came in White and Black and Black being the rarest. You WONT find another one like this and its taken me 2 years to go thru it. Car has 56K original miles. Interior is in Mint condition. Door cards and pockets are all attached still and in excellent shape. Has New Michelin Hydro-edge tires on original wheels. Original COUPE GT Floor Mats with red stitching, Fully functional Digital dash working as new. Everything works as it should. New sunroof seal. New rear trunk shocks.

Car had been in a hail storm in the past from a previous owner, so I had taken out all the interior and headliner so I could get it all done by a pdr guy which cost me $1,400. I had every dent on every panel taken out. Put everything back in and fixed anything that needed to be fixed or repaired. Original carpet is mint, dash, center console, all in excellent condition. trunk is like new with original jack, spare and tools. Car has rear window defrost, rear wiper. All headlights are excellent, lenses. Rear tail lights are mint, rear prismatic coupe strip is mint. I replaced oil pan gasket, head gasket (10v turbo metal), head bolts, valve cover gasket(1 piece rubber), water pump, timing belt, tensioner roller, alternator belt, power steering belt, thermostat and vacuum pump gasket, painted oil pan cover, valve cover, timing belt cover. Radiator completely gone thru, re-cored, and re flow tested and painted. New Clutch Kit, OEM. New Battery. Lots of other hoses, etc are new. Car has minor surface rust spots from the hail where it cracked paint. Nothing serious. Hard to see with black. No Rust Anywhere other that that surface spots like I said. Underneath is immaculate. New Magna-flow Exhaust that sounds amazing. You wont find a nicer one of these and very few Coupe GT’s from any year in this kind of condition. This is a collectors Item and will go up in value year by year. I have many Audi’s and id like to keep this car. No enough space as 2 years was much longer than I anticipated as I had to do a lot of the work myself.

Pics of everything at photobucket:s120.photobucket.com/user/hoopster21/library/Anniversary Coupe GT

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This car comes to us from the same seller that offered the equally rare and equally pricey
Ginster Yellow Coupe quattro. He obviously has a knack for finding rare Audis – eagle-eyed readers will likely spot a rare 1984 4000 quattro in one of the photos. That said, I do have some issues with the way the car is presented – mostly being that the information presented on the car isn’t completely correct. The car isn’t black (that wasn’t an option on the C.E.), but Graphite Metallic. Graphite is the more rare color for the C.E. Coupes, but this is not the rarest combination available on GTs – that would likely fall to the ultra-rare black with black leather Special Build 1987.5s.

In other advertisements for the car, the seller’s quote on paintless dent removal varies from $800 to $1,400, and frankly the paint just doesn’t look as nice as some other lower mile GTs I’ve seen for sale, though the Graphite color was tough to keep looking good – many had clearcoat failure long ago. The wheels are not correct for a 1986 model GT – indeed, the C.E. did not get different wheels than the normal GT (other than being painted white on Alpine White models). The wheels on the car are either from a FWD 5000 model or perhaps one of the very rare FWD 4000CS models with “heavy duty brakes.” There is also talk on the 4000/GT model forum that the A/C is disconnected and non-functional. These may seem like minor points, but they draw into question the level of detail on other items, and when you’re attempting to set the market with price, in my opinion you should have your ducks in a row.

With that said, it is very difficult to find a nice 1986 GT these days, though not impossible. The mileage on this car is certainly lower than many I’ve seen in a long time. The difficult to keep looking good red leather looks fantastic, and the seller claims to have mechanically updated the car. It is interesting that two low mile GTs have come up in the Pacific Northwest in the past two months – the last was turned around somewhere in the $6,000 range and was in the more desirable Tornado Red shade. As much as I love it, I think the seller is reaching on this car by a fair amount and the value is $5,000 -$6,000 at most. Even at the top of the market for these cars, they’re well bought drivable classics that you can have fun with for many, many years to come.

-Carter