Wagon Week: Two Turbo Or Not To Turbo? 2001 S4 Avant v. 2005 A4 3.2 Avant

I’ve done a few wagon showdowns over the past week (and even a little preview the week before!). First was the A6 2.7T 6-speed and A4 1.8T Avant post, followed by the W8 6-speed vs. W8 Variant post, and more recently the Allroad 2.7T 6-speed v. 4.2. The message was pretty clear in those posts – the manuals were the ones to have, with the exception of the W8s that apparently no one wanted. Well, I’ve tightened up the pool a bit on this one. Here we have two silver Audi wagons, both automatic, and both with around 250hp; but it’s there where the similarities end. While the earlier S4 boosts performance through two turbochargers, the newer B7 A4 makes use of the great 3.2 V6 for grunt. Which would you rather drive? Let’s look at the S4 first.

Year: 2001
Model: S4
Engine: 2.7 liter twin-turbocharged V6
Transmission: 5-speed automatic
Mileage: 92,209 mi
Price: $12,900 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2001 S4 Avant on eBay

We are presenting an amazing purchase opportunity for someone interested in the highly sought after and rare Audi Bi-turbo 2.7 liter Avant Wagon, these vehicles are fun, fast and can haul you anywhere, with ease! The special quality about this purchase opportunity is the time and value that has been invested into this vehicle in general, its beyond exceptional to say the least. All maintenance has been completed including all the “preventative maintenance” as well. My colleague that owns the vehicle happens to be a certified Audi Technician, and that’s the real key to all the service work in general, much sweat equity has been invested. The actual dollar value amount of what you would pay at your local Audi service shop would exceed $13,000 for the services listed below, all parts are Audi OEM quality, nothing but the best. Many of the items could have been left alone as what most dealers would do, but since my friend is Audi Certified, it made sense to go ahead and do it all considering. below is a list of some items we’ve performed on this Avant. We hope you enjoy the write up and congratulations on finding an awesome ride, will we ever be selling something like this again? likely not, if you know cars, you know how hard it is to find them like this! Full Timing Belt and water pump kit including all rollers, tensioners, accessory belt, thermostat, coolant flush, the complete timing overhaul has been completed. Also serviced Valve Cover gaskets including cam seals and cam caps, new brakes and rotors Front and Rear, New Steel Braided Brake Lines, Brand New Tires. 3 New wheel bearings, new mass air flow sensor, full tune up with fresh oil and filter, new cabin air filer, new air filter, brake fluid flush, transmission flush, gear oil flush, full suspension service that includes 20 pieces featuring all upper and lower control arms with new tie rod ends, with alignment. Also replaced electric water pump located underneath intake manifold, also replaced manifold gaskets. Replaced 2 window regulators. The list goes on. It does offer leather, sunroof, premium bose sound, all power, xenon headlights, heated seats, its loaded. It is clear title, non smoker, and never been in an accident. This avant S4 has been serviced, inspected and quality control tested all the way. With our program, Confidence Comes Standard, and so does Peace of mind purchasing. Now more than ever, the only way to buy a euro car is to buy a fully serviced euro car. Don’t get stuck with one that needs thousand in maintenance, we’ve all heard those stories. This Avant is clean inside and out, drives great, and is very smooth. there are no major door dings, or damage present. There is normal wear and tear which typical for a 12 year old vehicle, nothing out of the ordinary however. Do take advantage of all the value offered here. We ship nationwide and ship fast. Feel free to reserve this car with a small deposit anytime, 90% of our ebay offerings sell before auction is expired, so don’t wait on a great car and certainly don’t wait on value like this! 615.390.4334

This S4 has undergone a pretty serious amount of maintenance, and at 92,000 miles is on the lower side of mileage on the B5s that come up for sale. The interior looks to be in good shape, though the black leather never seems to wear particularly well, and the silver exterior looks quite nice. I love the original Avus alloys, though they’re heavy and because of the design are susceptible to curb damage which these show. The seller is right; you could find one cheaper and easily be looking at serious service bills before long; the B5 is a great example of “buy the best one you can find” if you like them. The S4 is a lot of fun to drive in the twisties, though I never really thought the automatic transmission mated well to the power delivery of the V6 twin turbo; yes, it spools quickly, but between the lag of the transmission and the lag of the engine it always seems a bit lazy compared to the six speed. The same cannot be said of the naturally aspirated later models:

While the B6, to me at least, wasn’t really a better looking car than the B5 had been, the B7 was surely a massive improvement. The nose alone was worth the price of admission and really tied the design together well; coupled with a nicely revised tail and some new engines, the B7 was a big step up and for the first time the Audis seemed to have a trump card in the small executive market over the BMW and Mercedes-Benz competition. Today’s example sports the torque-laden 3.2 V6:

Year: 2005
Model: A4
Engine: 3.2 liter V6
Transmission: 6-speed automatic
Mileage: 58,950 mi
Price: $14,000 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2005 Audi A4 3.2 Avant on eBay

59+K pampered miles on this carefully driven two-owner Audi A4 3.2 Avant Quattro wagon. Always garage kept. Crankcase has seen nothing but synthetic since birth. All scheduled maintenance thru 50K dealer performed.

The world renown Audi Quattro all-wheel drive-train for the ultimate control in rain, sleet or snow.
Satellite radio ready.
Platinum leather interior.
Front & Rear seat heaters.
Moon Roof
Professionally tinted windows.
$800 worth of newer Continental DW tires… the perfect rubber for this precision machine.
Exterior: Some minor scratches on wheels and bumpers.
Interior: Near excellent
Mechanical: NO issues
State-of-the-art safety: Electronic stability program, Anti lock brakes with brake assist and Electronic brake-force distribution. Airbags all around.

This is the perfect nuclear family transporter for any distance. Travel in the supreme comfort & knowledge that this automobile will provide rock solid performance on the road in all conditions.

Clean title in hand.

Email with any additional questions.

Engine – 3.1L V-6
Power – 255 @ 6,500 rpm
Automatic Transmission – 6-spd w/OD
0-60 – 6.4 seconds
Drivetrain – Quattro all wheel
Seating – 5 passengers
MPG 20-26 mixed urban, city & highway

Not many of these with low mileage around.

This car certainly seems to be presented in top condition with an also excellent service history from the dealers. That really takes a lot of the guesswork out of ownership immediately. The the revised transmission and engine, the B7 felt noticeably sportier than the B6 and B5s had out of the box. Unsurprisingly, with similar engine output, performance in every category is just about on par with the B5 S4 – acceleration, cornering, fuel mileage – all about the same. Drive them back to back though, and I think you’d find they feel very different. If you want to be exclusive, the S4 is probably the car to get – but with 30,000 less miles for about the same price, that 4 year newer A4 sure seems like a great alternative to a crossover to me. Though it doesn’t have my favorite Ronal ultrasport wheels on it, this 3.2 would be my choice.

Which would you choose?


Wagon Week 10K Friday: Which Road would you take?


The C5 Audi Allroad was one of the better wagons Audi has brought over to the United States in recent memory. The car was available with initially only the 2.7 twin-turbo V6 out of the S4 and A6 2.7T, but later was also available with a 4.2 V8 making for a smooth operator. What differentiated the Allroad from the S6 was a neat package; out of the box, these cars came with height adjustable air suspension that made for both impressive ground clearance and sporty handling in the twisties. Today I’ve cooked up an interesting comparison between the two more desirable versions of the car; the 2.7T mated to the 6 speed manual and the V8 4.2 model. Let’s start with the manual:


Year: 2004
Model: Allroad 2.7T
Engine: 2.7 liter twin-turbocharged V6
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Mileage: 127,000 mi
Price: $8,500 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2004 Audi Allroad 2.7T 6-speed on eBay

Hello! Up for sale is a 2004 Audi Allroad Quattro. This car is in a great exterior and interior condition. The color is very nice gray metallic and it’s the original paint. It has 6-cylinder 2.7T engine with all-wheel drive 6-speed manual transmission. Plenty of power combined with famous Quattro all-wheel drive system makes this vehicle the best for all kinds of weather conditions, especially for winters. This vehicle has currently a little over 127,000 miles. This car looks and drives like new and it’s very clean inside and out. Please, look at the pictures, they say it all.

This vehicle is fully loaded. It has black/grey leather interior, powered heated seats and rearview mirrors, 8 airbags, sunroof, power windows, premium Bose stereo system with 6 CD-player and satellite radio, dual climate control, cruise control, ABS, traction control, parking sensors, central locking, alarm, factory xenon headlights, fog lights, 17’ alloy wheels, roof racks and much more. It has all matching almost brand new Michelin tires.

The vehicle equipped with famous Allroad air ride suspension, which is a great feature. This system has no issues with lifting up and holding air for weeks. The engine and transmission work great. Timing belt, water pump and all possible seals and gaskets were replaced last week. Only original or high quality german made parts were used, no cheap junk. Check engine light never comes on, neither any other warning lights. No fluids are leaking, no smell of any kind, there are all new brake pads.

Since the vehicle is used, it does have its small blemishes, such as slightly worn headlight switch, dent on rear bumper, burn mark on driver’s seat and couple of almost invisible dings on the left fender, nothing major at all. Please, see the pictures. Radio and climate control buttons are in great shape. BTW, Audi has a recall for burned marks on the seats caused by heating element, so it can be replaced for free. This vehicle just passed NYS inspection and it comes with clean NYS title. If you have any additional questions, please feel free to ask.

Winning bidder to pay $300 deposit via Paypal within 2 days after the auction is ended. Bidders with the 5 feedback or less, please, contact me prior to bidding.

This car looks quite clean outside, and with some recent engine maintenance that’s a plus. The interior also looks quite clean and presents well. The Allroads are quite complicated beasties though, and though the seller claims the suspension works perfectly, you can bet either compressor or airbags are going to need to be replaced before long if they haven’t been already. It’s an expensive repair to undertake, though there are upgraded aftermarket parts now available. Alternatively, you can swap in steel springs from either a S6 or A6, though you loose the ride height adjust-ability obviously. Second downside? The two turbos; while they’re great for tuning, they’re more often than not a replacement item as the miles grow, necessitating removal of the motor. Those two things got you down? How about this unique V8:


Adding the 4.2 changed the character slightly from the “wooshy” 2.7T to a more refined, torquey driving style with the V8. Ultimately, this relaxed the car and though on the books it looks very similar to the S6, it’s a very different car. This particular model is even more different than most, with it’s custom interior and monochrome paint scheme:


Year: 2005
Model: Allroad 4.2
Engine: 4.2 liter V8
Transmission: 5-speed automatic
Mileage: 116,000 mi
Price: $10,500

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2005 Audi Allroad 4.2 on Craigslist.org

I have a 2005 Audi Allroad 4.2 V8 for sale.

It is a special order and comes with the matching fender flares and body molding to the Titanium Grey exterior. It has custom Black, Grey & Red leather seating and both front and back seats are heated with heated steering wheel. It has Sirius/XM integrated, Homelink, walnut trim in front and back. It also has the automatic and manual variable height suspension. It is automatic with Triptronic shifting. Bi-Xenon auto adjusting & leveling headlamps as well as front & rear fog lights. It has had all of the services done in the past 2000 miles and in the last 500 miles had the air suspension and struts replaced. It has new Michelin tires in the last 5,000 miles. It also has legal front and rear window tinting.

It has 116,000 miles on it which is good average mileage and has been mostly highway. I am asking $10,500 or reasonable offers. Email and calls are welcome. This is for local private sale for cash or bank check only. This will not be shipped, etc. Contact 5085057737 with questions. These ARE actual pictures of the car. More can be texted upon request. I am looking to sell by the weekend.

Scared of the turbos and the airbags? Check those two off – the suspension and service has just been done to this particular car. The interior is a bit over the top, but not garish and thankfully not too overdone; I think it’s probably liveable, though I don’t think it really suits the car particularly well. This example does have the rivited two piece wheels I like more in terms of looks, and the Titanium looks better than the Alpaca Beige.

Despite likely less issues with the suspension, I’d guess that most people would choose to grab the 6 speed. It’s a versatile, sporty wagon that maintains driving enjoyment. My parents had one for a while and I always liked driving it, though I dreaded the repair bills it generated. Still, I’d rather drive one of these and fix it often than end up in a Q5. They can even tow a reasonable amount of weight if you’re looking for a track hauler – just make sure both the car and trailer are light.

The question is, which Road would you take?


2001 Audi A6 2.7T quattro

We don’t often speak about future collectables at GCFSB, as it’s usually hard to tell what will end up there. This car, however, is one that I think will probably end up being more of a cult-classic than it is currently – the short lived A6 2.7 Twin Turbo 6 speed. Like it’s little-brother-with-a-bigger-attitude S4, the silky smooth yet potent V6 mated to a manual made for an entertaining sports sedan and the spiritual successor to the C4 S4/S6. In the U.S., the C5 S6 was V8 and automatic only; the RS6 was V8 and automatic only, and while you could get the V6 TT 6 speed in the Allroad, not everyone wants to float on air (*or not) in a wagon. Flying lower on the radar, like most Audis from this generation depreciation took its toll quickly and many of these were snapped up second hand and not maintained. Thus, it has become rare to see one of the 6 speed A6s come up to market in good condition, but today’s example looks great in the classic Ming Blue:


Year: 2001
Model: A6 quattro
Engine: 2.7 liter twin-turbocharged V6
Transmission: 6-speed manual
Mileage: 69,287 mi
Price: $10,450 Buy It Now

CLICK FOR DETAILS: 2001 Audi A6 2.7T quattro on eBay

1 Owner! Dealer serviced! Twin turbo engine! 6-speed! Quattro! Low miles! Bose Sound System! Rear heated seats!

You are looking at a fully loaded luxury car that has been exceptionally well kept; it’s an all around great looking vehicle. This gorgeous A6 has been highway driven. This is a great car which combines superior luxury and comfort and sport sedan performance. This is a-never-smoked-in beauty that looks and smells new. The car was garage kept.

Great looking bright red exterior and tan leather interior makes this car look great!


The engines is one of the finest German engines ever created – a 2.7L TURBO Engine that runs and feels smooth and provides abundant power. The transmission shifts like on a new car, no skips or slips on shifts.

The interior is spotless while the leather shows almost no wear. The interior also has REAL WOOD trim! The front seats lean all the way back to the rear, so you can actually sleep rather comfortably in the car!

The seats are extra comfortable with 16-way driver and passenger seat adjustments including power driver + passenger 4-way lumbar adjustment provides variable lower back support.

The engine compartment clean, and void of any leaks. All the electrical options appear to be in working order.

Audi A6 rates very high in safety, it’s not a light car, and has a lot of specially engineered alloys along its frame to dampen any possible impact. The SIDEGUARD Curtain and Rear Side Airbags provide the safety you and your family require.

A very good climate control system is present in this car, with not only front seats control, but you also have ice cold A/C blowing directly at the back seats, while the passengers are able to adjust how much airflow they want!

The trunk is very clean and roomy as you can see from the pictures.

This is a unique hard to find automobile that has every option. It’s been garage kept, and is in good condition.


To me, this car makes an excellent alternative to the S cars. While they exhibited less exterior attitude than the M cars and AMG models, the S cars are none-the-less well known by enthusiasts and non-enthusiasts alike now. If you truly want a Q-ship and to fly low on the radar, this car does it – it’s effectively an S4 underneath but appears to be just a normal A6 on the surface. Some of these cars came with the pretty and ridiculously light BBS RC 17″ wheels, and unfortunately this isn’t one of them, though they could be sourced easily enough if you were interested. Still, with those non-sport alloys on there, it’s even more of a sleeper.

I’m a big fan of clean cars, and this car appears to be very clean. The headlights seem to have suffered none of the typical A6 solar degradation, the paint shines new and looks free of damage, and the interior looks just about unused. As the owner of a B5.5 Passat, that’s a tough thing to manage, as the soft touch plastics used in these generations by VAG are easy to damage and show wear quickly. The seller mentions the car was dealer serviced and garaged, both pluses. The ad does mention red exterior which means it was probably a cut and paste, but as I’ve made similar mistakes I can’t really fault them all that much for that one. I think in the future these will be harder cars to come by and if kept in good condition, I doubt this particular example will depreciate much more, if not even slightly appreciate. It represents a blank slate that you can either keep in stock, pristine form or go crazy with mods and blow the doors off just about anything in just about any weather.


2001 Audi S4 Sedan RS4 Clone

In 2000 Audi introduced the successor to the legendary RS2 Avant, the B5 RS4 Avant. These were the days when the Avant was king, and manufacturers weren’t afraid to field a high horsepower, performance station wagon. The B5 RS4 was based on the same platform as the A4/S4 of the same generation, but the similarities ended with the roofline, and a few shared parts.

The RS4 underwent a major facelift, and featured widened fenders, new front and rear fascias, and wide side sills. These modifications allowed for the wider track of the RS4, and made it more aerodynamic than its mass market counterparts. Under the hood the RS4 again shared little with the S4…basically the block. With upgraded internals, bigger K04 turbos, and upgraded engine management, the RS4 had nearly 100bhp more than the S4.

While the RS4 was never officially for sale in the US, the parts are readily available giving enthusiasts the opportunity to build their own, which is exactly what the owner of this beautiful black RS4 clone has done.


2001 Audi S4 Sedan RS4 Clone on rennlist.com

Year: 2001 Make: Audi Model: S4 Mileage (numbers only please): 52000 Options (Please check ALL which apply): Airbags, Air Conditioning, Alarm System, Antilock Brakes, Cruise Control, Foglamps, Intermittent Wipers, Leather Seats, Power Brakes, Power Door Locks, Power Steering, Power Windows, Sunroof, Traction Control Color: Black Price (no $ sign please): $26000 Private or Dealer Listing: Private Listing Location (Region): Midwestern Body Style: Speedster Transmission Type: Manual – 6 speed 2 or 4 Wheel Drive?: 4 Wheel Drive Engine Type: Turbo Stereo System: AM-FM CD

6-Speed 52k miles Driven 3k miles a year , max (while in my possession) Not even driven in rain ALWAYS garaged EPL Stg 3 2 Sets of wheels (iForged and Rota)
Needs nothing! Maintenance up to date. Ready to win…
Never been tracked, abused or driven in snow. Has always hibernated during winter. Professionally detailed regularly.
Flickr pics: http://www.flickr.com/photos/dynamic…57622914979874
The body and paint is in near perfect condition: http://www.audizine.com/forum/showth…ody-S4-content)
Let me know if you have any other questions, I will give you any details you need. I have owned 5 B5 S4s, none as special as this one. I am the 3rd owner of this car and still talk to the first 2 owners.
Thanks for your time.
Widebody Conversion (Rojo Collision) Stage 3 at 34k miles (water pump/timing done) Mercedes Black clearcoat spray respray (deeper black) EPL stage 3 turbo kit RS4 Turbos RS4 Clutch AWE Intercoolers RS4 intercooler piping RS4 engine mounts AWE DPs AWE sport cats/test pipes UUC VM1 exhaust (no longer available) – test pipes will come with AWE DTS APR snub mount Apikol rear diff mount (street) Samco hoses JHM shortshifter Gready Turbo Timer lll New AWE boost gauge Vogtland GT coilovers ECS front/rear rotors (cross drilled) Mintex Pads 19×9.5 IForged Senecas 265/30/19 Pirelli Pzero Nero 18×9.5 Rota P45R 265/35/18 Brand new Michelin PSS Rolled Fenders Valeo Ecodes Custom painted RS4 grills Valentine 1 remote display RS4 piano black console Alcantara wrapped door trim Alcantara E-brake handle 35% window tint Euro RS4 floor mats Custom painted engine bay/covers

This is certainly a car that someone has put a lot of time and money in to make it an almost spot on interpretation of what the RS4 sedan would have looked like had Audi produced it. The owner pulled out all of the stops from the wide body conversion, to the RS4 engine upgrades. While that may be the case, there are still a few glaring issues.

The main issue that I have with the car is the fact that it’s a sedan. Now I understand Avants aren’t for everyone, but they just look better. Another issue with the conversion is the interior, it appears as though it’s more S4, than RS4, which is a nice interior, however to command a $26,000 price tag, I’d want this car to be spot on, and it’s just not there.

At the end of the day this is just a hopped up S4 sedan with some RS4 bits, and even with the low mileage, I’d say it’s worth $15,000 at the most.



2001.5 Audi S4

The second generation of the Audi S4 debuted in North America in late 1999 for the 2000 model year, and it was an instant hit. With 260bhp from the 2.7l bi-turbo V6, this was the ultimate in mid-sized performance sedans. While these cars are impressive off the lot, time has not proven to be the B5 S4’s friend, the 2.7T engine has proven to be quirky, and these cars were rarely driven gently resulting in a scarce market for nice, well-kept B5s.  The problematic 2.7T was helped quite a bit with the 2001.5 revision of the S4 (9/00 and later).  This revision offered revised turbos, the F-Hose was removed, revised throttle body boots and clamps, and the addition of Audi’s ESP (electronic stability control) system.  These revisions make the 2001.5 and newer B5 S4s more desirable than the earlier B5s.

This beautiful silver S4 for sale in Santa Monica, CA, is one of the cleanest un-molested examples I’ve seen for sale in a while, this very low mileage, garage kept example has an exceptional service history, and best of all it’s bone stock.

2001 Audi S4 on eBay


Very clean 2001 Audi S4 with 6 speed manual transmission V6 BI-TURBO engine. Car has less than 49k miles on her, making her a very unusual find. Immaculately maintained and looks and drives great. I think it almost every option Audi offered at the time. As with all S4’s, it’s got the Audi quattro all wheel drive system. It is all stock, WITH THE EXECUTIVE SPORT PACKAGE ITS A PERFECT CAR. ONE OWNER , ALL RECORDS, ALL OPTIONS.

Being around these cars a lot, I tend to steer clear of the 2.7T power-plant, as it’s needier than most other performance engines, but this car with its low mileage (48K), and great maintenanvce history is a very attractive package.  This S4 is in exceptional shape, and pretty hard to come by in its stock configuration.  This car should fetch a good price, however, I wouldn’t be a buyer much over $11,000.